Invincible Downgrade

[Chariot190]

He used the children to get the Elites on his side so they could kill Mark.

Yes, but he wasn't trying to kill them in the first place, that's for sure, he didn't want to, and so he didn't try. You said "if he had such a weapon, he'd use them against the viltrumites", but that's simply not true, he didn't want to fight them or harm them, he wanted them on his side over the alternatives.
Unless you mean the Viltrumite hybrids, but Robot didn't exactly expect them to be coming with a whole armada of them and Robot is a very prep heavy character.

And not only that, did he even want to kill Mark? It seems more like he wanted Mark to completely surrender while making it so Mark couldn't command the Viltrumites against him, basically force Mark to piss off.
Given Robot kinda tells him to do exactly that so nobody has to die and made sure exactly that couldn't happen, Mark just happened to fight back (Robot even says to Mark that he should have just backed off and left things alone, implying he was expecting Mark to just keep things as it were now that he didn't have his forces. He also says this to everyone else too, that if they didn't come to fight, they would have been left alone, and not just to Amanda or Mark, to all of them). Not to mention not once did he ever say he wanted to kill Mark, just that he wanted them to bring Mark to him and that he played an uno reverse so Mark couldn't use the viltrumites against him.

The one weapon

He says weapons, plural. One such weapon sure, but he says weapons implying there's more weapons then just the sonic one.

Tbh, I don't see the issue here, Robots basic armors can fold Viltrumite hybrids with raw strength alone, and Robot and Mark both seem to think Robot's highend armors are at least able to hurt Thragg to an extent with various weapons (and neither would be overestimating it, Robot is to smart for that and Mark has no reason to think like that). Only real downside is the material they're composed of can't take many hits (Though, it does take a few bloodlusted hits from Thragg while in the sun, and early on at that before the heat really starts effecting them) and his striking strength wouldn't be up to that power either for obvious reasons.

Imo, downscaling Robot's best armor off Thragg should be ok at least in regards to AP (just slap "up to [tier] with certain weapons" and his durability is a mess but he's definitely lacking compared to how much he can dish out for average armors and drones so that's something else entirely

On another note, a viltrumite takes a hit from Tech Jacket in the final confrontation so there's that for scaling, iirc there was some talk about that earlier.

 

[Antvasima]

Just a note that what was done to Robot was very disturbing. Keeping him as a brain in a jar is a fate worse than death, especially given that he was just an anti-villain, who genuinely tried to help humanity, rather than just oppress, enslave, and persecute it for personal benefit, as all real world tyrants do.

Invincible should preferably just have placed him in jail, or at worst killed him, instead.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, I agree about Robot's best armors almost scaling to elite Viltrumites.

 

[Hellbeast]

Just a note that what was done to Robot was very disturbing. Keeping him as a brain in a jar is a fate worse than death, especially given that he was just an anti-villain, who genuinely tried to help humanity, rather than just oppress, enslave, and persecute it for personal benefit, as all real world tyrants do.

Every Tyrant says they’re doing that tho and it always leads the same place

Invincible should preferably just have placed him in jail, or at worst killed him, instead.

It is grim

Could we rate Robot’s high end armour as “At least High 6-C (superior to his basic suits which overwhelm lesser Viltrumites), likely far higher (is stated by Invincible and himself to be capable of harming Thragg [via unknown keans])

 

[Chariot190]

Just a note that what was done to Robot was very disturbing. Keeping him as a brain in a jar is a fate worse than death, especially given that he was just an anti-villain, who genuinely tried to help humanity, rather than just oppress, enslave, and persecute it for personal benefit, as all real world tyrants do.

Invincible should preferably just have placed him in jail, or at worst killed him, instead.

Yeah it was a bit ****** up, especially when Robot himself genuinely feared himself as well, he says as much when Mark goes back to the past, he asks Mark if in the future, he did anything bad or evil, and he says that he fears himself because while he tries to be good and just wants to make the world a better place, he lacks empathy for the most part and goes about things to logically. (And this was before he even became a king, he says that earnestly without anything clouding his judgement) and Mark even goes "oh shit, that makes a lot of sense".
To top that off, while in the jar he even reiterates that, that he feared what he would do and what he did so that's actually best if he's kept like this and agrees with the decision.

Robot, twice, without knowing about either instances due to alternate timelines, both said they fear themselves and what they might do in the name of logic due to being unable to empathize, not out of malice, but in a attempt to do good.

Robot was interesting, I liked him quite a bit.

“At least High 6-C (superior to his basic suits which overwhelm lesser Viltrumites), likely far higher (is stated by Invincible and himself to be capable of harming Thragg [via unknown keans])

Tbh, if it was up to me I'd go "[tier], up to [tier] with certain weapons." Or at the very least "[tier], likely up to [tier] with certain weapons".

 

[Antvasima]

Could we rate Robot’s high end armour as “At least High 6-C (superior to his basic suits which overwhelm lesser Viltrumites), likely far higher (is stated by Invincible and himself to be capable of harming Thragg [via unknown means])

That seems fine to me.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Tbh, I don't see the issue here, Robots basic armors can fold Viltrumite hybrids with raw strength alone,

When did Robot's armor do that?

 

[Chariot190]

For Robot, he can kick the shit out of Thragg's children.
So I'd assume he'd at least scale to Kid-Omniman and early Mark and the like. Possibly higher given how strong said kids are in actuality.

Here, was already posted.
He easily smashes one across the face and blows his jaw off using a piece of his other armor, presumably even more, as he fights more offscreen, and is completely fine by the end of the fight, even sending his outershell to Mark, aka weakening himself.

Though, that's for his strongest armor (well, the innards of it) in particular.

Though Eve does say that his basic armors are a threat to them here, just that they slow comparatively.

 

[Cropfist]

Just a note that what was done to Robot was very disturbing. Keeping him as a brain in a jar is a fate worse than death, especially given that he was just an anti-villain, who genuinely tried to help humanity, rather than just oppress, enslave, and persecute it for personal benefit, as all real world tyrants do.

Invincible should preferably just have placed him in jail, or at worst killed him, instead.

Robot massacred dozens of heroes, kidnapped children, and was implied in the Flaxan arc to just want control. Not that it matters, because the canon future timeline confirmed he still rules through Immortal as a proxy.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Though Eve does say that his basic armors are a threat to them here, just that they slow comparatively.

Robot had a mix squadron of both the basic and Volcanic armors around the atmosphere. He made his new suits to purposely stand a chance against a Viltrumite, his old models would be easily rolled


In fact the scene works against the point of them having weaponary that can harm a Viltrumite since Mark only notes their sonic armor rather than any deadly weapon.

As before if we want to keep the Titanium suit as At least High 6-C that's fine imo, but it's not High 6-A. Mark one shot an armor when he didn't need to worry about sound and Thragg was weakened through constant plasma degradation of his smart atoms when Robot's advanced armor went to Mark.

 

[Antvasima]

Robot massacred dozens of heroes, kidnapped children, and was implied in the Flaxan arc to just want control. Not that it matters, because the canon future timeline confirmed he still rules through Immortal as a proxy.

Okay, but I still do not support what was done to him. That's just sick. Invincible should have either killed him or placed him in prison.

 

[Antvasima]

Robot had a mix squadron of both the basic and Volcanic armors around the atmosphere. He made his new suits to purposely stand a chance against a Viltrumite, his old models would be easily rolled


In fact the scene works against the point of them having weaponary that can harm a Viltrumite since Mark only notes their sonic armor rather than any deadly weapon.

As before if we want to keep the Titanium suit as At least High 6-C that's fine imo, but it's not High 6-A. Mark one shot an armor when he didn't need to worry about sound and Thragg was weakened through constant plasma degradation of his smart atoms when Robot's advanced armor went to Mark.

Okay. That is probably fine then.

 

[Chariot190]

Robot had a mix squadron of both the basic and Volcanic armors around the atmosphere. He made his new suits to purposely stand a chance against a Viltrumite, his old models would be easily rolled

I'm not talking about the old models, the old models very clearly do not scale, and we're shown that. His new models do though to an extent, given we quite literally are told they can harm them, and not just through the sound stuff, and Robot's one he used against Thragg could even do so to the point of mutilation. Eve also goes on record and states that his drones can and will harm them if they get caught.
That's not only a explicit demonstration, but also confirmation. A chunk of his drones explicitly scale to the hybrids.

In fact the scene works against the point of them having weaponary that can harm a Viltrumite since Mark only notes their sonic armor rather than any deadly weapon.

Sorry dude but disagree.
He's talking about their basic armored drones, and he's saying that because it's an innate quality of the drones. In that, you punch hard, they hurt back via sound. He's warning them of that, but that doesn't mean that's the only thing they can do and the only thing to take into account, just that it's the most obvious thing as they need to fight back in such a way as to not accidentally kill themselves instantly, plus, Eve a few pages prior straight up says they are fully capable of hurting them, do we really need Mark repeating the same thing again a page or two later? It was noted, just not by Mark (And Eve would know how strong they are, given she fought hundreds).

As before if we want to keep the Titanium suit as At least High 6-C that's fine imo, but it's not High 6-A. Mark one shot an armor when he didn't need to worry about sound and Thragg was weakened through constant plasma degradation of his smart atoms when Robot's advanced armor went to Mark.

Thragg and Mark were in the sun for a short awhile when Robot's suit came, I wouldn't be so sure the heat was truly really starting to effect them yet, but even if it did, which is fair to assume, that has zero effect on Robot outside of the sun, and Mark in it, both thinking, if not outright confirming that yes, Robot's high-end suit has weapons, plural, not just one, that scale to him, so it isn't just sonic based weaponry that can harm Thragg, no matter how miniscule that may be.
It's extremely straightforward, to the point there shouldn't even be anything to argue, it's basically just exposition saying "Robot could harm Thragg to an extent with his high end suits' weapons", that's it. And I can almost guarantee that them being in the sun, smart atoms and more wasn't considered there in context, because Mark doesn't know about that, why would Mark say that in reference to "Thragg is weakened, so his weapons can harm Thragg now", that's not what was said, Mark simply says there's weapons that could, and given Mark wouldn't know about the heat weakness, it obviously wasnt in reference to their current state, he was just saying what he knew and wish he could use and smart atoms is a literal nonfactor because Mark doesn't know about that weakness.
Plus, you pointed it out yourself, the sound based weapons are a literal nonfactor in space, as Mark did that at the end when he kak'd him, so Mark can't be referencing the sound based stuff in the first place in that scene.

Put simply, it's just a straightforward statement that puts Robot's AP near Thragg's dura, even if Robot's dura is considerably less (would still be above hybrid tier though as he can physically fold with his best suits).

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tldr but still kinda long.

Meaning, hard disagree, Mark and Robot both think the high end suit has weapons, plural, that can at least harm Thragg, it's not talking about the sonic vibrations given 1. That's an innate quality, Mark wouldn't "need to know" how to work the suit to utilize it. 2. It's plural, even if it's talking about the sonic stuff, there's at least one other thing as well. 3. There was an entire fight between Robot and Thragg offscreen, we can easily assume that the weapons in question were used then, and Mark seen them (given he was right there), of course Robot lost that fight and his armor was torn apart, but there was a cut, and there was a fight of some degree offscreen, Mark would know if it's packing some extra heavy duty weapons even if we don't. 4. The fight took place in space and in the sun, the sound based weapons are useless, Mark can't be talking about those there.

Honestly, at the end of the day, there's nothing to argue about, we're told Robot could harm Thragg, even if only a bit, and it's backed by that same suit's (weaker) innards folding hybrids physically to the point of brutalization and mutilation and him having zero issue with them, and multiple at once even given the suit was fine when it needed to go to Mark (on the same page where the shit brickhouse that is Allen is having a bit of issue with just a handful at once), and it explicitly said weapons so it's not the built-in defensive option which quite literally couldn't be a factor in that statement given it was in space were sound is a nonissue nor would it be the sound based weapon for the same reason plus, as Mark states there's multiple weapons that can, not just one.

Though note, I'm not saying this is for every drones, suit and so on, just his final most powerful suit used against Thragg, as that's the suit it's referring to and the only suit that was shown of that caliber, and that's only for AP too, not even durability. The rest can be lower, that's fine given their feats.

Also sorry if I repeated some stuff, I'm super tired so it's not a super cohesive reply.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Just a note that what was done to Robot was very disturbing. Keeping him as a brain in a jar is a fate worse than death, especially given that he was just an anti-villain, who genuinely tried to help humanity, rather than just oppress, enslave, and persecute it for personal benefit, as all real world tyrants do.

Invincible should preferably just have placed him in jail, or at worst killed him, instead.

He was a bad dude, he demonstrated as much when he slammed a pregnant woman against the floor and ripped her leg off, telling her to shut up. Alternate versions of him did show the potential for good, but the main Robot was out to capture or kill whoever opposed him. He literally left his girlfriend (and pretty much wife for several centuries) to suffocate in outer space, and no amount of "I knew she'd be saved" justifies doing that in the first place. He wasn't a hero, and I don't think you can call him human to begin with, from the moment he cloned Rex's body for himself to appeal to Monster Girl, he was already off to a bad start.

Dinosaurus is the one with some degree of complexity to him (even if his message feels like it was straight out of Captain Planet), Robot is a hypocrite of a child telling others how childish they are even though they have every right to call him out on his insanity. I do agree that what Mark did was unlike anything a superhero should do, but Mark already proved he was as unstable as other Image heroes. Image's superheroes aren't inspiring figures you admire and look up to like many of Marvel's or DC's best, they're violent, deranged, psychologically unbalanced and/or very emotional individuals who generally give in to the pressure (to quote Mark, "being a hero is bullshit") and lean more towards being anti-heroes. A proper superhero wouldn't have given in and captured Robot, or perhaps brought in the less insane Robot from the dimension where he switched bodies with the alternate Invincible to help (he seemed far more reasonable).

Anyway, that's all pretty off-topic. On the subject of Robot's weapons, something I haven't seen many people mention is that he easily killed Angstrom (though he was in a pretty rough state) who had amplified his power to somewhat match Invincible.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Thragg could even do so to the point of mutilation. Eve also goes on record and states that his drones can and will harm them if they get caught.
That's not only a explicit demonstration, but also confirmation. A chunk of his drones explicitly scale to the hybrids

Thragg was already seriously weakened by the time Robot's armor went to Mark and we have a few examples of the armors being thrashed by people below Thragg. Using the sun fight as evidence isn't solid when the source of their strength gets steadily weakened and undone by constant exposure to intense heat.

Eve a few pages prior straight up says they are fully capable of hurting them, do we really need Mark repeating the same thing again a page or two later? It was noted, just not by Mark (And Eve would know how strong they are, given she fought hundreds).

Them wvsling to the Hybrids have plenty of justification and evidence. Them scaling to the Elites or Thragg/Mark is where I'm drawing a line. If Robot could spam High 6-A armor he wouldn't have gotten crushed by 10 odd High 6-As with a bunch of fodder.

Though note, I'm not saying this is for every drones, suit and so on, just his final most powerful suit used against Thragg, as that's the suit it's referring to and the only suit that was shown of that caliber, and that's only for AP too, not even durability. The rest can be lower, that's fine given their feats.

We have nothing to go on. I'm against the idea of giving robot a High 6-A rating, especially when it would break the story if he could produce Thragg tier armors.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Hey just a quick question, but would the Maulers getting killed by a Small Building level explosion be considered an outlier considering they can take down Robot?

 

[Antvasima]

So should we go with Qawsedf234's latest suggestions then?

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

So should we go with Qawsedf234's latest suggestions then?

Personally, yeah I agree with what he's saying. "At least High 6-C" should be fine for his volcanic armor

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Have we reached sufficient conclusions to begin the revisions then?

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

We still need to decide on Angstrom Levy’s stuff. We have his durability prior to his upgrades but we really haven’t decided on much else

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Does anyone have any ideas of what to scale angstrom to or what his stats should be?

 

[Jasonsith]

Rex Splode

Attack Potency: Wall level physically (Easily shattered two doors with a kick), Building level with regular explosions (Easily destroyed a large mansion with a baseball), Large level via suicide move (Charged his own skeleton, destroying himself and a parallel Invincible)

True shattering of two doors is touching small building level.
What I see is kicking open two doors so hard the hinges are destroyed.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

True shattering of two doors is touching small building level.

Wtf? The fragmentation of a door is 516644.24 joules, baseline 9-A is 20920000

 

[Jasonsith]

Wtf? The fragmentation of a door is 516644.24 joules, baseline 9-A is 20920000

Thanks for explanations

So this is not quite completely shattering two doors. The two doors did flew, but only a small part of the hinges and a small part of wood frame were destroyed.Yielding far less.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Actually, I agree. But there are probably better feats, I will look for them.

 

[Chariot190]

Thragg was already seriously weakened by the time Robot's armor went to Mark and we have a few examples of the armors being thrashed by people below Thragg. Using the sun fight as evidence isn't solid when the source of their strength gets steadily weakened and undone by constant exposure to intense heat.

Except I'm not. Don't strawman me. I'm using statements saying Robot can harm Thragg as evidence, not the interaction between Thragg and the armor in the sun. I couldn't have made this more clear. And smart atoms, heat, them being weakened, completely moot, Mark doesn't know about that weakness and their durability doesn't plummet with stamina loss. If Mark says Robot has weapons that can hurt Thragg in that instance, well then he does, and every single excuse you gave doesn't fit.
Them being exhausted doesn't effect it. Mark doesn't know about the heat and smart atoms so that's completely moot to the statement. Sound weapons are void in space so he can't be talking about those. etc.

Mark says "this has weapons that can hurt Thragg", and we have zero reason to believe otherwise in regards to his single best armor we've ever seen, there's no reason not to take the statement at face value., all your reasons to say otherwise don't add up or simply can't be apart of the context due to various reasons already outlined.

Them wvsling to the Hybrids have plenty of justification and evidence. Them scaling to the Elites or Thragg/Mark is where I'm drawing a line. If Robot could spam High 6-A armor he wouldn't have gotten crushed by 10 odd High 6-As with a bunch of fodder.

Stop strawmanning. Who the hell said he could spam it? I even went on record, three times, saying this is only for his best suit. One that, from what we know, he only has one of. And losing to the hybrids? He wasn't, in fact it was reiterated twice, that he can very much harm them, and the armor in question that would scale to Thragg, even if just a bit, was shown completely mutilating them and ******* them up to the point of brutalization, he casually used a piece of his OWN armor to blow one's jaw off. Him losing to hybrids isn't a anti-feat, because it ever happened in this armor, he straight up kicked their ass.

We have nothing to go on. I'm against the idea of giving robot a High 6-A rating, especially when it would break the story if he could produce Thragg tier armors.

We do though. Robot's best known armor could last a bit with Thragg off screen, albeit not long, but that's a durability thing, and I'm fine with it being a glass cannon if feats indicate that but, Robot and Mark both think, with Mark even confirming, that it's AP is enough to harm Thragg, no matter how small. It isn't sound shit because they're in space among the other slew of reasons. And it has zero anti-feats given the only anti feat it would have and the feat you're using, doesn't apply because we're shown that he can stomp hybrids in this armor.
Not to mention you seem to be confusing Robot's armor having less durability and being able to get folded by Thragg to mean he lacks the AP, that simply isn't the case, Robot can very well be packing more power then he has durability.

I mean, no offense Qawsed, but if it happened it happened and every rebuttal you gave doesn't actually prevent it, tbh you almost had me convinced with the sound based weapons being what he meant but you pointed out the sound based stuff doesn't even work in space so...

 

[Chariot190]

Also, here's two more Tech Vs. Viltrumite examples, though it's for an early Tech.
Tech Jacket was nearly killed by Anissa.
That one dude (red eye elite) tanked a shot to the head from Tech Jacket.
Viltrum war stuff that was already pointed out.
And EoS Tech Jacket attacked a viltrumite (one weaker than Nolan as Nolan fought him before and won) and he tanked the blast.

That's all the Tech Jacket vs viltrumite stuff I can find.
The EoS one is the most helpful though, assuming he wasn't holding back. The other ones weren't though, so the elites upscale quite a bit off his base.

More Robot stuff but, he can one shot Reanimen with his beams, (Sinclair said that his reaniman aren't a match for the basic drones too). And by one shot I mean his beams tear through them like a wet tissue. Not exactly impressive but it's a feat.
Blew off Immortal's arm too and forced him to flee. So Robot's drones are packing enough power to kick his ass as well.

 

[Chariot190]

About High 6-A

What is the calculation?

I think it's the planet bust feat, but only what we can ascertain is 100% on them, so not the whole of the planet exploding, just the initial impact or upheavel of the mass.
It's been posted earlier in the thread if you wanna skim it.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Oh I see. But the calculation only considers part of the impact, the other side of exploding planet is part of the feat/impact (The magma explosion).

 

[Chariot190]

Oh I see. But the calculation only considers part of the impact, the other side of exploding planet is part of the feat/impact (The magma explosion).

That was done again by DMUA I think? That took that into account. Either way there's another one after that, two even. It's gone through some shit.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Holy shit, DMUA's result is 5-A lol. This seems inflated

 

[Chariot190]

Holy shit, DMUA's result is 5-A lol. This seems inflated

It was, he redid and got like, High 6-A.
Basically at the end of the day, doesn't matter which one we use, they all end up around that more or less.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

The Rognarr (also called Ragnarr and Ragnars later on) should probably get their own profile.

A short little respect thread/compilation of their feats:
-Conquest's injuries were caused by three Rognarr while he was under the Scourge Virus' after effects, so he was weakened here.
-Nolan in the past fought many of them and was impressed by their speed and power.
-When Allen and Nolan went to their planet, which had been frozen over by the Sun being blocked but was then unfrozen, Nolan showed worry about even groggy Rognarr, and as soon as one of them broke out, it smashed Nolan against the ground. Even while in a groggy state, one or a couple of them were overpowering Allen. They do escape from their planet, but Allen is still caught off-guard by their speed.
-It's believed they can survive in space unharmed, and this is later proven to be true.
-Tech Jacket battles one at least, though he only seems to push it back.
-A group of them is dropped from space and they manage to restrain and cause some serious harm to Thragg. Also worth noting, Thragg's minions have weapons strong enough to kill them.
-Battle Beast's girlfriend takes on one and doesn't die. She can harm Battle Beast so this proves how strong she is more than anything.
-Thragg captures a few and needs to put some effort in order to put them down.
-Thragg uses two to shred through an army of Viltrumites. One of these guys also pretty much one-shots Anissa.
-The last one we see is battling Thula who is quite strong, so she may have been able to kill it but it happens off-screen.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Yeah they have more than enough feats to pretty much put them at Multi-Continent level.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So this is not quite completely shattering two doors.

I just sorta threw out a word. But yeah shattering isn't a correct descriptor for the showing

Mark says "this has weapons that can hurt Thragg",

Robot engaged Thragg in a 2 vs 1 encounter with Mark and got his shell obliterated. Unless you're saying his interior armor is five tiers higher than his outer armor that statement just doesn't make sense. We've seen all of Robots weaponary for his suits and of them all he has exactly one that can harm a someone on the level of Thragg and its sound.

If he had weapons that good he would use them.

I mean, no offense Qawsed, but if it happened it happened

But it didn't happen. We have a statement that's contradicted right before and right after. I'm fine with giving his suits a possibly higher rating but not a High 6-A one.

 

[Qawsedf234]

You know what, fine guess we can just roll with this

Attack Potency: Human level | City level+, possibly Large Island level (Can harm the Immortal) | At least Large Island level (Capable of tearing apart Invincible Reanimen and easily killing Hybrid Viltrumites), possibly much higher or Multi-Continent level (Mark noted that he had weapons capable of harming Thragg. Has drawn blood from Invincible before, though this could be due to Sonic Vibrations)

Speed: Average Human | Varies up to Massively FTL+ (Shown to be comparable to Immortal and Bulletproof speed wise. Robot suits can keep up with Viltrumites, though ultimately they're much slower) | Varies up to Massively FTL+ (Stopped blows from Invincible)

Lifting Strength: Average Human | Unknown | At least Class K (Superior to invincible Reanimen who are comparable to an early Mark)

Striking Strength: Human level | City Class+, possibly Large Island Class | At least Large Island Class

Durability: Human level | City level+, possibly Large Island level | At least Large Island level

Keys: Base | Basic Armors | Titanium-Volcanic Armors

Though upon looking at this I think we need a better example for the Basic Armors. Since I only remember the Titanium suits messing up Immortal.

Guess if we want we could always just boost the suits AP up to Small Country level or 6-A to match against Tech Jacket since he never attempted to fight Robot. Though I guess that could be a morality thing rather than a AP issue thing.

 

[Antvasima]

Wtf? The fragmentation of a door is 516644.24 joules, baseline 9-A is 20920000

Is that feat listed in the following page?

References for Common Feats

Throughout fiction and real life, there have been numerous feats demonstrating a certain character's or object's destructive power. This page's purpose is to consolidate calculations for those feats for better convenience in determining an object's or character's Attack Potency or Durability...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Antvasima]

You know what, fine guess we can just roll with this


Though upon looking at this I think we need a better example for the Basic Armors. Since I only remember the Titanium suits messing up Immortal.

Guess if we want we could always just boost the suits AP up to Small Country level or 6-A to match against Tech Jacket since he never attempted to fight Robot. Though I guess that could be a morality thing rather than a AP issue thing.

I think that Robot's original armors were extremely far below the level that you placed them on. Didn't the handbook place them at Class 1 or somesuch, well below even the Mauler Twins?

His strongest EoS armor also withstood some blows from Thragg combined with the solar heat before being destroyed.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I think that Robot's original armors were extremely far below the level that you placed them

Yeah they're not that strong. Which is why I asked about what they should be rated at.