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I mean Migue didn't evaluate that one yet but he did evaluate LIFE's. That's why I asked if we should wait to see which one he thought was better.
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Invincible Downgrade
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The Small Country is fine. He accepted my method, witch use vaporization and a crater. My only mistake was to consider 5 miles as the diameter, but @Jasonsith has corrected this in his blog
I didn't even know it was a issue
For now, no.
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Right now, we just need to find their highest speed. Everything else has been taken care of and resolved other than that and Immortal's LS but tbh he literally lifts nothing worthwhile in the comic so we should probably just put that as Unknown or Class 25 if we want to go with the guidebook.
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I’d say Varies from High Hypersonic (feats and reasoning) to Relativistic+ (feats and reasoning). Massively FTL+ via Space Warps
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Invincible guidebook says that apparently they travel through warp jumps or something of that nature when they travel through space for extended periods of time.
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That could work in my opinion. If everyone else agrees with this I believe we could start revisions unless there's something else I'm forgetting.
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Even if not it'd be likely to just be movement since I don't recall any statements or feats of Viltrumites having Picosecond Reactions and stuff
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There was no crater though. Just a big explosion. So that end cannot be used because it's based on a incorrect starting point.
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Well that's fair, he even said it was a hypothetical and an extreme high-ball, So City+ it is. Do you agree with the speed decision?
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Yeah. The only MFTL+ stuff is in outer space and they have no in-atmosphere feats that would go against a subspace warp style.
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Why isn't there a crater? Is never specified
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I'm assuming his reasoning is that we never see a crater and it wasn't specified so we can't go with something we don't know is there.
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There is a crater, its just not 150 meters deep nor is it 5 miles wide. In panel 5 you can see the crater, and its barely wider than two adult men. The vaporization part was about the structures and people within the 5 mile blast radius.
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Just to clarify, you're agreeing with "Varies from High Hypersonic to Relativistic+" right?
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Man
This panel does not prove anything
It is just a part, even around the dudes it's shown that there's only rock, proving that at least part of the surface was vaporized
It doesn't even make sense
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Considering we see a crater and its just around the Meteor Twins with no indication it was 5 miles wide, yeah it makes sense.
Especially when its an attempt to move everyone to a higher Tier 6 rating since unlike the Invincible showing it would scale to rather notable amount of people with a plethora of lower showings.
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Sure. I can apply everything right now if we're still doing the 7-B+, possibly High 6-C Immortal/Bulletproof thing
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So do you agree with "Varies from High Hypersonic to Relativistic+"?
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So should we ignore the new calculation result? I thought that it was higher.
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If we're doing that then maybe
- People who scale to Mark/Allen without question: Varies from Massively Hypersonic (Can fly at 800,000 KPH or mach 671/Superior to an Early Mark who can fly at Mach 671) to Relativistic+ (Can fly at near-lightspeeds/Comparable to Allen who can operate at near-lightspeeds). Massively FTL+ with space warps (Flew to the Virgo Supercluster within two weeks/Comparable to Omni-Man who is capable of flying Inter-Galactic Distances within two weeks)
- Robot and better: Varies from High Hypersonic (Capable of reaching escape velocity) to Relativistic+ or MHS+ (While slower than a Viltrumite, they're capable of fighting them to some degree. Noted as being 10 to 100x slower than someone with Viltrumite levels of speed)
Its based on the idea that the meteor vaporized an area of 5 miles at 150 meters deep. The crater in the image is barely larger than two adult men. Which is where I have an issue.
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Yeah I agree with that.
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Technically this would only apply to Pre-Time Skip Robot's armors/drones. The drones he uses to fight against Viltrumites come like 5 years after that statement.
Though they're still noted to be slower none the less, it doesn't seem to be by that degree.
That would put a hard cap on Robot's pre time skip speed though, I'd just move that scan to the first key and then replace it with Eve saying the drones aren't as fast the hybrids for post.
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Yeah. There I was more using it for people like Immortal who was easily blitzed by that guy rather than Robot's upgraded suit.
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Actually, while I do agree with the Viltrumite level characters being MHS to Rel+ and those below like Immortal being HHS to MHS+, I don't think those below Viltrumite levels should be Rel+ mostly because they've mostly been shown to be slower than Viltrumites even when they're flying at casual speeds and the page that said they were 10x slower even then said they were still moving incredibly fast so I feel like MHS+ should be used.
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So for Immortal Tier people we're going with
Which we would then link to like, Allen or Mark
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Yeah that should work. Would Robot's Volcanic armor and Atom Eve scale to viltrumite levels or below viltrumite levels?
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Eve's First Resurrection might scale, her second one definitely would.
Robot's Volcanic Armor scales even if they're overall slower than a Elite Viltrumite.
Robot's Volcanic Armor scales even if they're overall slower than a Elite Viltrumite.
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Okay. I feel like we should make Eve's first resurrection scale to below viltrumite levels mostly because in her fight with Ursaal she admitted that she wasn't as fast as her but could still hold her off for a bit through just blocking her path before Mark came to help her. Though, I guess it could just be a Robot situation where he's slower but still viltrumite level.
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I think the logic behind that is that the guy was moving 100x faster than them and was moving at Viltrumite level speeds, allowing him to blitz Bulletproof and Immortal but upon reviewing it, yeah I don't think the logic for MHS+ holds up. Maybe place them at just straight up MHS since that's the lowest viltrumite level speed.
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Oh sorry about not clarifying, I had assumed prior knowledge of the scene.
The reason he's 100x slower was because he's barely moving from Cho's POV. Actually going by the scene 100x slower is being incredibly generous to Immortal.
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I don't think it was a continent. He just went from New York City to somewhere in the Appalachian Mountains
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Hyperbole. But whether it was the country, or even a city, he's tens of thousands of times slower at minimum.
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Sure, but he still likely falls into that 10-100x range Robot was talking about.
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Question: The Rognarr are fast enough to catch Viltrumites off-guard within an atmosphere and in outer space, so where would that put them attack speed wise?
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