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Information about Kakashi, and raikiri
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Exactly as I described, This kakashi did not run to generate an impulse considerably, if I am not mistaken it even came from the ground, correct?2 different paths of pain last-minute dodged Raikiri after Kakashi ran with it.
Kakashi ran with this
Kakashi made a strategy to get a shadow user to paralyze Zabuza so that he could catch the raikiri. Kakashi wanted to finish with jutsu, his goal was not to subdue him in speed.And a Path of Pain was able to intercept it.
Haku also scales
So Haku entering the front is not inconsistency, not least because we have a good example that Kakashi does not use raikiri just to gain speed.
Haku does the same in the classic while saving Zabuza, judging was shunshin, something that you don't consider speed, right?
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What does that mean?
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| = Mirror
) = Not a mirror
| -> Haku <- | is lightspeed
| -> Haku - ) is not lightspeed
Between 2 mirrors, he moves at lightspeed.
Between a mirror and something else, he's not lightspeed.
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I don’t understand how, doesn’t he just create a mirror and reflect into it?
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He's basically saying Haku is only lightspeed when reflecting from one mirror to another, not just SoL in general.
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Imma still need a statement of it.
The OP says it's in the speed of the thrust, not the sum of the speed of the legs + hand.
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Kakashi literally jumped off the ground to surprise Pain, he had no basis for a cruise race. In addition, Asura used Shunshin to protect Tendo, just as Haku did with Zabuza.
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"Speed of the thrust" ≠ "Speed of running + the thrust"
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Calm down, the impulse speed comes from the raikiri. But the user needs a good physical base to use the technique as well, as Guy pointed out. Would Kakashi be able to use all his speed inside the ground?
Furthermore, you are ignoring the fact that Asura used Shunshin.
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When I said that he would need to run it is because the user needs to use all physical speed for the attack. Now you understand why Guy said that the user needs a good speed and nobody can do it at first, so Sasuke took his distance, otherwise it would not have been easier to stay close to Gaara?
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So you also want to give Part I Sasuke a 5X Speed Multiplier with Chidori as well?
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Pain dodged it earlier while Kakashi was standing up. There's more than 1 feat
No, because Asura dodged it prior point blank as well.
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Are there any problems or inconsistencies?
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I'm confused, what moment are we talking about? I thought it was when Asura stepped in front of Pain.
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Can be more specific? In the final part I, basically they intend to collide, where is that rasengan a parameter for chidori?
Note: you can go to my other topic and evaluate my request to scale sakura with Naruto MK and Sasuke EMS?
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Do you really think it was Sasuke's intention for Naruto to counterattack with a Rasengan and collide his Chidori with it?
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In both images, kakashi only concentrates the raikiri and attacks the Pains. He is not at a distance, he is on top of them. Using this image to say that he is using his top speed is the same as saying that he did it with Kakuzu half dead.
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Do they not always do this at all stages to know who is the strongest?
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So you want Naruto to have comparable speed to Sasuke using a Chidori that in your opinion is a 5X Speed Multiplier to his Base Speed.
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Still want a response to this.
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I think that's what he was referring to, if I understand both of you and Haku's SoL rating correctly. Like, when Haku goes from mirror to mirror, he's moving at light speed. If he say, hops out of the mirror to grab a protein shake (don't question the uber specific example), then he wouldn't be moving at light speed, since he's not reflecting anymore.
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Their meetings are all about shocking advances. Your analogy makes no sense.
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You said that Chidori and Raikiri were 5X Speed Multipliers. Then say that the user needs distance and a Sharingan to use it.
Sasuke used Chidori, had both Sharingan and Distance against Naruto.
Yet, Naruto was able to react and match Sasuke's Speed.
Therefore using your logic Naruto would be 5X faster than a Sasuke not using Chidori.
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Yes, does anyone reach maximum speed in one or two steps?
What a situation? The first time, Sasuke was in the air, if you know physics, you know you weren't at full speed, due to gravity. The others went when they were both exhausted.
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I guess Sasuke using Chidori while running towards Naruto intent on stabbing him means he wasn't at full speed.
Early in their fight they're already exhausted? The Naruto, who didn't do much fighting, that fought against Sasuke, who was literally doing nothing the entire time because he was inside a jar, were already exhausted when they fought?
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So we’re just gonna ignore the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, where funnily enough, Sasuke explicitly stated he was going full power with his Chidori against Naruto.
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Wow so Chidori and Raikiri don't Multiply Speed by 5X when a character is moving a few steps or when they don't build up enough speed.
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Do have you considered that Sasuke even with chidori can be inferior to Naruto yet? So how can Obito accompany Guy based and with gates?
The part of both exhausted refers to when they exchanged blows in the arch of the dome of the 5 kages and valley of the end.
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Does that necessarily say what? Would Sasuke in the air with the influence of gravity reach his maximum speed?
On the issue of ignoring something, I am not the one who is ignoring the fact that Zabuza Edo accompanies Kakashi in the war.
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Wow, outright ignoring what happened during the fight.
Wow, so now your saying that Obito doesn't scale to KCM Naruto, and Gates Guy
So basically ignored the specific example that I gave which was Retrieval Arc
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Yes, Guy replies that the user needs high physical speed, do you think he meant? I think it's for the question of using all that speed when attacking, are you?
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Guy? Guy said that? What would Guy know about Raikiri or Chidori? tbh, I'd take his statements about Sharingan and Lightning Release techniques (since, well, he has neither), with grains of salt. Now if we had a Uchiha or Kakashi saying something like this, it might be more credible.
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Then how on earth can Chidori and Raikiri be Speed Multiplier if the user still needs to build up speed in order to use it?
How does it multiply speed at all when the user still has to rely on their on movement speed to use it.
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