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INFINITY vs IMAGINATION (Ultron vs Maxwell) (Grace but not really)
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Something Max wouldn't do
We literally know, when the stones started glowing and making sounds, then Ultron destroyed the planet and the solar system right after. That you do not know or ignore it is something else
He doesn't, Ultron's destroyed the planet instantly
He used it against the Watcher several times
Wrong, all the stones can make energy beams
Wrong and headcanon, like all of your arguments, he has the range to cover a planet instantly, I don't have to prove anything else
He doesn't
Yeah, and he destroyed the planet instantly, your point?
So 4 kilometers is equal to the size of a planet? Even if he has to, he could without a problem and instantly, again you are ignoring that his attacks are MFTL+
You have to do for your argument to be valid, Ultron's has 2-A range, stop always repeating the same thing if you are not going to downgrade him
Obviously not
Are you blind? The stones glowed because Ultron absorbed Scarlet Witch's magic, not because he was charging up an attack
Ultron doesn't start with that, he did in the middle of a battle in certain conditions that Max wouldn't have. Irrelevant point
Again, that was at the end of the battle, Ultron doesn't starts like that. Irrelevant point
Wrong, he used his energy beams, without the need to charge, 4 times against the Watcher. And why does it matter that he is his greatest foe? Ultron not doing the same against another character is just your headcanon, like most of your arguments
Two that he didn't need to charge and another in certain conditions in the middle of a battle, your point is amazing
Watch the clips again, at this point I don't know if you are ignorant or just trying to make a spite
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Ultron FRA
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Rot isn’t in the wrong here. The way you’re going about this as a voice in the debate and as the OP is incredibly faulty. I’m not even voting for either side, but you’re ignoring a lot of the page which is odd since you were the one to set up the matchupCoping hard
Will respond tomorrow.
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Btw, @Greatsage13th didn't even vote
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No. We never see the stones so we dont know when they started to glow. He might have been charging up while the camera was at captian marvel, that clip is really hard to see.
He does. I made the math
Watcher is not gonna be seen as same as a random opponent. Watcher was also pretty close and not far.
I know that but power stone is the one who gives them the..."power"
Wrong and headcanon. Ultron only used instant energy attacks against watcher who was pretty closeby and against asgard which was pretty close as well, to DESTROY it. I don't see why ultron can and will use those here.
He does
He didn't do it instantly.
I never said 4 km is equal to the size of a planet. I was saying he has to use a AoE attack since 4km is too long for a normal straight attack. His attacks are MFTL but they need to charge.
His range is 2-A with the infinity stones since he effects the multiverse. He doesn't have 2-A ranged enery beams.
You kinda did.
Headcanon. Stones glow when they are being used. You just said that.
Ultron did that when his opponents had some distance. It also is enough to prove he has to charge up in some way or another.
Irrelevant. Ultron only used straight insta beams in close combat. If ultron wants to nuke the place he will need to take some time.
Irrelevant. Watcher was important and in close combat Ultron obviously has to treat him different than any other opponent he faced. He used the straight energy blasts 5 times. 4 times against watcher a significant enemy and in close combat. 1 time in asgard to DESTROY it in CLOSE.
Wrong. It is obvious he has to charge up in some way. In wanda fight "absorbing glow" stuff is headcanon it took 6 seconds. In guardians fight it takes 8 seconds believe it or not. In captain marvel one it is not possible to know how long it took, but we can assume it had to charge up since he charged up 2 times other than this out of 3.
I watched them again. I still don't see why they are so called "instant" in your logic.
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I just don't see how ultron can aim, shoot, get a perfect hit and kill maxwell from 4km when he only used them in close combat. I also don't see his energy blasts being "2-A ranged" I think that is just reading the profile wrong since its talking about the stones effecting specifically. Ultron obviously charges up atleast 2 times out of 3 times he used energy blasts. Is there any other IC move ultron could use?
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honestly ultron fra
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not yet
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Images from this video:
Minute 0:53, the stones aren't glowing
Minute 0:54, the stones are glowing
Minute 0:55, the entire planet is destroyed
Why would he use that against the Watcher and not against Max? That goes against the standar battle assumptions:
Just because Max is a child doesn't mean that Ultron will treat him as a random, I have seen that you like to use that argument a lot, according to SBA Ultron would see him as a threat that he has to eliminate
No? Just because a stone is called the Power Stone doesn't mean that it is the only one that gives power, they are all Ultron's source of power. It is also stated that the stones increase their power in combination with the others
His energy beams come from the Infinity Stones, so if his profile says he has 2-A range with the Infinity Stones, then Ultron has 2-A range with energy beams, simple as that. Like I said before, if you disagree with that just downgrade him, but don't try to use that as an argument when you're contradicting what Ultron's profile says
And I didn't say otherwise, I said they were glowing because Ultron used them to absorb Scarlet Witch's magic, not to charge up an attack, proof:
The stones are glowing while Ultron is being attacked
You can literally see how the stones, while glowing, absorb Scarlet Witch's magic
After that the Mind Stone isn't glowing but Ultron still destroys the planet afterwards
They were only a few meters away, the same as the Watcher and less than Asgard
Yes, when Ultron was missing a stone, the source of all his power, and he used an overkill attack because he was already pissed off fighting several minutes against 7 opponents at the same time. If you are not able to understand why Ultron would never start with that against one guy in a battle, it is because you are directly ignoring the information to manipulate and invent an argument from your ass
I'm not going to discuss the other points because they are all the same. I debunked your invention, because it is difficult for me to believe that you have misinterpreted all the clips, that Ultron used charged attacks against Captain Marvel or Scarlet Witch. Yes, Ultron used charged attacks against the Guardians, but in conditions that would never happen at the start of a battle. So it doesn't matter if Ultron starts with an energy beam or an AoE attack, it would be faster than Maxwell literally having to write a word, that assuming Ultron doesn't start with a thought based attack, and since his attacks are MFTL+ Max wouldn't be able to react, that's all
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Honestly I cant argue more I don't have enough knowledge and if I keep going it will come out of spite and biased lol. I guess ultron wins? If Max has a chance to win, anyways so should I delete Maxwells votes and let the versus thread continue or is it a stomp?Images from this video:
Minute 0:53, the stones aren't glowing
Minute 0:54, the stones are glowing
Minute 0:55, the entire planet is destroyed
Why would he use that against the Watcher and not against Max? That goes against the standar battle assumptions:
Just because Max is a child doesn't mean that Ultron will treat him as a random, I have seen that you like to use that argument a lot, according to SBA Ultron would see him as a threat that he has to eliminate
No? Just because a stone is called the Power Stone doesn't mean that it is the only one that gives power, they are all Ultron's source of power. It is also stated that the stones increase their power in combination with the others
His energy beams come from the Infinity Stones, so if his profile says he has 2-A range with the Infinity Stones, then Ultron has 2-A range with energy beams, simple as that. Like I said before, if you disagree with that just downgrade him, but don't try to use that as an argument when you're contradicting what Ultron's profile says
And I didn't say otherwise, I said they were glowing because Ultron used them to absorb Scarlet Witch's magic, not to charge up an attack, proof:
The stones are glowing while Ultron is being attacked
You can literally see how the stones, while glowing, absorb Scarlet Witch's magic
After that the Mind Stone isn't glowing but Ultron still destroys the planet afterwards
They were only a few meters away, the same as the Watcher and less than Asgard
Yes, when Ultron was missing a stone, the source of all his power, and he used an overkill attack because he was already pissed off fighting several minutes against 7 opponents at the same time. If you are not able to understand why Ultron would never start with that against one guy in a battle, it is because you are directly ignoring the information to manipulate and invent an argument from your ass
I'm not going to discuss the other points because they are all the same. I debunked your invention, because it is difficult for me to believe that you have misinterpreted all the clips, that Ultron used charged attacks against Captain Marvel or Scarlet Witch. Yes, Ultron used charged attacks against the Guardians, but in conditions that would never happen at the start of a battle. So it doesn't matter if Ultron starts with an energy beam or an AoE attack, it would be faster than Maxwell literally having to write a word, that assuming Ultron doesn't start with a thought based attack, and since his attacks are MFTL+ Max wouldn't be able to react, that's all
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Do what you want, it is your thread at the end of the day, but the truth is that I'm already tired of this match, it has genuinely given me headaches. If you want you can remove the votes that were given before there were even arguments for Ultron, or directly request for this thread to be closed for the mental good of both
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