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BRUUUH, now I noticed that Saitama has a similar NPI due affecting the mental space of phoenix man mind LOOL
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Conceptual one punch man-BRUUUH, now I noticed that Saitama has a similar NPI due affecting the mental space of phoenix man mind LOOL
...dabura effected him...this would scale to their xenoverse versions
Which will further scale to heros...dabura effected him...
ABSTRACT LEVEL CORRUPTION
It scales to Xenoverse Fu at least......dabura effected him...
ABSTRACT LEVEL CORRUPTION
I was just joking-It scales to Xenoverse Fu at least...
demigra vs hades sounds like a fair matchup now-Which will further scale to heros
Shush ple-demigra vs hades sounds like a fair matchup now-
shush krillin-Shush ple-
Let's not derail (even if we already are derailing but meh)when ctr for infinite speed
no but maybe we can get immeasurable speed zenowhen ctr for infinite speed
Because Gowasu statement was like ''zamasu is trying to become the justice and the order itself'' which is flowery words, the context is just zamasu killing all the mortals cuz as a god, he consider himself as the absolute justiceOne question why is the law and order stuff considered flowery language.
Actually justification in AP department is wrong,it isn't stated anywhere in the scan that he is overriding the law and order of the universe. Gowasu just states that he is becoming order and justice itself which just means that he is going to become his own version of justice and order which he will impose in the universe.It doesn't say that Infinite Zamasu will bypass and remove the law of the universe,so that needs to be changed.Law manipulation: granted to IZ because his AP justification is overriding universe's law and order
"Universe level+ (As stated by both Gowasu and Beerus, Zamasu, in this state, was becoming one with the universe and overriding its law and order"
Actually that isn't true, Infinite Zamasu is culmination of him trying to execute the order and justice on others(his will) which then manifest on the form of red energy which then absorbs and takes over the universe. So his will is what caused Zamasu to cast over the form of the god and manifest into red energy but it isn't his will which is fusing with the universe but rather his energy which merges with the universe but the Toei timeline doesn't explain the sequence in much detail since its their job to summarize the event.Supernatural Willpower and absorption: Toei's Official timeline declares Infinite zamasu to be Zamasu's will losing control and engulfing the universe, implies he is not only merging universe 7 and becoming it, but instead engulfing it into his own will which is infinite zamasu
Since I do not know about Shinza or the context surrounding its law of the universe so I will not comment on this.He didn't become law of the universe as in concept of law of the universe like his belief dictated but law of the universe in the sense of him enforcing his laws and beliefs in form of the universe. As I explained in the above point,Infinite Zamasu is result of his will of executing his justice over everyone which was then done in form of the energy. Yes if Zeno doesn't have conceptual or law EE that means that Infinite Zamasu didn't become the concept of law itself hence not being able to fulfill the conditions of AE type 1. Infinite Zamasu is universe itself along with his rules and laws which was gone as Infinite Zamasu no longer lived. I do agree that his AP justification certainly needs to be reworded because as I have shown,the events go differently than what the wording implies.It is because he becomes the law of the universe Similar to the case of Gods (shinza) , although on a much smaller and incomparable scale. Also IZ is the will of zamasu himself trying to be his own justice, defined as the universe/world itself, its law, knowledge and power and Kill all mortals which explains why zamasu's will (Infinite zamasu) try to fusion and engulf the universe, that's because it's his self-centered idea of justice. Even this Zeno don't have conceptual or law EE. He destroy Future timeline's universe 7 in anime (maybe timeline) , IZ is universe 7 itself and its law, its law being erased because its universe no longer exist
Or if this being rejected, edit AP's IZ explanation
They dont exist outside the mortal logic,they just dont work according to the logic of what mortals like Future Trunks thought(erasing someone in past wouldn't affect someone in Future Trunks timeline) because apparently killing one god has a effect on space and time(which was shown by Beerus hakaing present Zamasu creating time ring where Zamssu never died) but it was never elaborated as to why thats the case.So not sure how its creating paradox.Though its only for the gods and not anyone with god ki since they are still mortals.So I am not sure about acausality type 4 but at most I can see a possibly acausality type 4.2/ GODS (appilied for All gods of destruction, Angels, Kaioshin, Kai, Demon Gods, Zeno, possibly all who have God ki)
Acausality (type 4): Gods exist outside Mortal logic which is change past didn't change present and future so create two different timelines, because this Gods interact with each other can directly affect space-time and change Future, create paradox in reality
You are welcomeThanks everyone for read all of my revision
We have transdual characters being able to do stuff like win i don't really see the issueBecause if I recall correctly, not even ghosts can use Ki.
Lets see how this is
Actually justification in AP department is wrong,it isn't stated anywhere in the scan that he is overriding the law and order of the universe. Gowasu just states that he is becoming order and justice itself which just means that he is going to become his own version of justice and order which he will impose in the universe.It doesn't say that Infinite Zamasu will bypass and remove the law of the universe,so that needs to be changed.
Actually that isn't true, Infinite Zamasu is culmination of him trying to execute the order and justice on others(his will) which then manifest on the form of red energy which then absorbs and takes over the universe. So his will is what caused Zamasu to cast over the form of the god and manifest into red energy but it isn't his will which is fusing with the universe but rather his energy which merges with the universe but the Toei timeline doesn't explain the sequence in much detail since its their job to summarize the event.
However I do agree with absorption since he is literally absorbing and merging with the universe.
Since I do not know about Shinza or the context surrounding its law of the universe so I will not comment on this.He didn't become law of the universe as in concept of law of the universe like his belief dictated but law of the universe in the sense of him enforcing his laws and beliefs in form of the universe. As I explained in the above point,Infinite Zamasu is result of his will of executing his justice over everyone which was then done in form of the energy. Yes if Zeno doesn't have conceptual or law EE that means that Infinite Zamasu didn't become the concept of law itself hence not being able to fulfill the conditions of AE type 1. Infinite Zamasu is universe itself along with his rules and laws which was gone as Infinite Zamasu no longer lived. I do agree that his AP justification certainly needs to be reworded because as I have shown,the events go differently than what the wording implies.
They dont exist outside the mortal logic,they just dont work according to the logic of what mortals like Future Trunks thought(erasing someone in past wouldn't affect someone in Future Trunks timeline) because apparently killing one god has a effect on space and time(which was shown by Beerus hakaing present Zamasu creating time ring where Zamssu never died) but it was never elaborated as to why thats the case.So not sure how its creating paradox.Though its only for the gods and not anyone with god ki since they are still mortals.So I am not sure about acausality type 4 but at most I can see a possibly acausality type 4.
You are welcome
These were interesting arguments for sure
Reading this thread was a nightmare. But I agree with AE, and have no real opinion on Acausality or Law Manipulation. He's literally merging himself with the timeline. That's why they needed Zeno to destroy him because he doesn't have a physical form and is quite literally the universe. If he wasn't some sort of abstract intangible idea, Goku or Vegeta could just bust the universe and he'd be done for.
Lets see how this is
Actually justification in AP department is wrong,it isn't stated anywhere in the scan that he is overriding the law and order of the universe. Gowasu just states that he is becoming order and justice itself which just means that he is going to become his own version of justice and order which he will impose in the universe.It doesn't say that Infinite Zamasu will bypass and remove the law of the universe,so that needs to be changed.
Actually that isn't true, Infinite Zamasu is culmination of him trying to execute the order and justice on others(his will) which then manifest on the form of red energy which then absorbs and takes over the universe. So his will is what caused Zamasu to cast over the form of the god and manifest into red energy but it isn't his will which is fusing with the universe but rather his energy which merges with the universe but the Toei timeline doesn't explain the sequence in much detail since its their job to summarize the event.
However I do agree with absorption since he is literally absorbing and merging with the universe.
Since I do not know about Shinza or the context surrounding its law of the universe so I will not comment on this.He didn't become law of the universe as in concept of law of the universe like his belief dictated but law of the universe in the sense of him enforcing his laws and beliefs in form of the universe. As I explained in the above point,Infinite Zamasu is result of his will of executing his justice over everyone which was then done in form of the energy. Yes if Zeno doesn't have conceptual or law EE that means that Infinite Zamasu didn't become the concept of law itself hence not being able to fulfill the conditions of AE type 1. Infinite Zamasu is universe itself along with his rules and laws which was gone as Infinite Zamasu no longer lived. I do agree that his AP justification certainly needs to be reworded because as I have shown,the events go differently than what the wording implies.
They dont exist outside the mortal logic,they just dont work according to the logic of what mortals like Future Trunks thought(erasing someone in past wouldn't affect someone in Future Trunks timeline) because apparently killing one god has a effect on space and time(which was shown by Beerus hakaing present Zamasu creating time ring where Zamssu never died) but it was never elaborated as to why thats the case.So not sure how its creating paradox.Though its only for the gods and not anyone with god ki since they are still mortals.So I am not sure about acausality type 4 but at most I can see a possibly acausality type 4.
You are welcome
These were interesting arguments for sure
IZ is just Zamasu's will, no need to make it more complicated than it isSorry because this thread like Hell for who read it. But yeah you are right except we don't nead AE because He must conceptual or law. Only because IZ is pure will of zamasu (IZ's form is universe, law,... As his justice he want to become)
YeahIZ is just Zamasu's will, no need to make it more complicated than it is
It would hurt me in this case because I was only interested in commenting on what OP said,I didn't want to go read 3 pages worth of what people said just to comment on the matter.Thats all.As for what you said,okay.For god's sake will it hurt to read the thread and you don't need to be a concept in order to qualify for ae type 1
Thank you for understanding. I believe IZ isn't just pure will but will which manifested itself in the form of energy which assumed its form as incorporeal beingSorry because this thread like Hell for who read it. But yeah you are right except we don't nead AE because He must conceptual or law. Only because IZ is pure will of zamasu (IZ's form is universe, law,... As his justice he want to become)
We already explained this, justice and order aren't the arguments for AEAbstract Existence is the ability to embody an abstraction, such as a concept, thought, or information, and being immortal thanks to it.
Zamasu is absolutely not an abstract being. "Overriding Justice and Order" is all BS, he didn't override anything, he just is everything because he merged with everything. Not only that, he has 0 feats besides making a few holes in the ground and being erased by Zeno, which only further proves he didn't override justice and order, because as far as order goes, Zeno is #1 in any universe, and he proved just that when Goku summoned him.
Only other thing I've read was it was his "will", which is an equally bad take and also has nothing backing it up besides Gowasu's conjecture...and still getting immediately erased.We already explained this, justice and order aren't the arguments for AE
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IZ being Zamasu's will /consciousness would qualify for AE, just not a conceptual one.Only other thing I've read was it was his "will", which is an equally bad take and also has nothing backing it up besides Gowasu's conjecture...and still getting immediately erased.
Boundless (scales to Donald Trump and other politicians who are above every fictional verse due to being real)Political dragon ball
It is not about the concept of Law or Justice, it is about his Will and Desire left behind, make from Emotion and Thought are qualify for Abstract Existence
Zamasu's literal will, an absract concept according to this wiki since emotions are absract, is fusing with the space time. Thus AE since what's fusing with the space time is an abstract thing aka his literal will