Infinite Zamasu and God's Revision

[manu_zarri]

So i will fix it to limited Acausality negation type 1
But God don't have acausal type 1 unless they wear time ring

pretty sure that was for the kaioshins, also in order to be acuasality type 1 negation gods must have limited acausality type 1, which dosen't make really sense, since they perfectly flit in acausality type 1 because they were talking about future being changed

 

[Rikimarox2]

Not sure about AE1, but if people can get it due to being thoughts, emotions, etc... Then I guess it applies.

Acasuality sounds much more like type 1 than 4.

Zamasu never tucked with laws or anything, and I'm pretty sure he needs much more evidence.

Also why would some characters be granted acasuality type 1 negation?

 

[Rez]

Just read the reasoning for type 4 acausilty and it's more like type 1 negation actually since Beerus is stating him killing zamasu will not result in an alternate timeline and instead will directly affect the future zamasu and casue changes in the event throughout space time

 

[Rez]

Not sure about AE1, but if people can get it due to being thoughts, emotions, etc... Then I guess it applies.

Acasuality sounds much more like type 1 than 4.

Zamasu never tucked with laws or anything, and I'm pretty sure he needs much more evidence.

Also why would some characters be granted acasuality type 1 negation?

 

[Rikimarox2]

Ah, right. Well, I'm fine with acasuality negation then.

 

[JirensMom]

I agree with maybe possible(unsure) AE1(which I guess gives Zeno possible NPI)

Acausality type 1

iffy on law manipulation

 

[BetterThanYou]

But the problem is that beerus did create another timeline by erasing zamasu

 

[Rez]

But the problem is that beerus did create another timeline by erasing zamasu

That can be attributed towards the timering I guess

 

[BetterThanYou]

That can be attributed towards the timering I guess

You could have been right if the anime had indicated that all other alternate versions of zamasu have been erased and just the two remained because of the time ring.
But unfortunately we have no such evidence.

 

[Rez]

You could have been right if the anime had indicated that all other alternate versions of zamasu have been erased and just the two remained because of the time ring.
But unfortunately we have no such evidence.

Actually that will be a space time wide ee which hakai is not

 

[BetterThanYou]

Actually that will be a space time wide ee which hakai is not

Yeah. Anyway, the scans you posted above hints limited acausality negation since it is only for gods

 

[Bernkastelll]

Actually, im not sure if it would be acausality negation or just mechanics of the verse

 

[BetterThanYou]

Actually, im not sure if it would be acausality negation or just mechanics of the verse

Limited acausality negation is fine. Since it only applies for gods

 

[manu_zarri]

Limited acausality negation is fine. Since it only applies for gods

and why it's limited? just because it applies for some people dosen't mean it's limited at all

 

[Bernkastelll]

and why it's limited? just because it applies for some people dosen't mean it's limited at all

Because the effects happens when a God is erased

 

[BetterThanYou]

and why it's limited? just because it applies for some people dosen't mean it's limited at all

I mean... there is no evidence that this rule applies to gods erasing mortals. According to beerus, it is "God on God" only.

 

[BetterThanYou]

There is no evidence to suggest that if a god erases a mortal that the mortal will be erased from all existing space times. So, this logic only apply to the deities, which makes it limited

 

[manu_zarri]

I mean... there is no evidence that this rule applies to gods erasing mortals. According to beerus, it is "God on God" only.

Because the effects happens when a God is erased

because maybe only gods are acasual? (not counting black goku with ring, they was talking about him too). also not errased it's when it's destroyed

 

[Arcker123]

If ae zamasu goes through, who (if any) would get npi from him?

 

[BetterThanYou]

If ae zamasu goes through, who (if any) would get npi from him?

Only zeno. Possibly goku, vegeta and trunks

 

[sanicspood]

conceptual manipulation

 

[manu_zarri]

conceptual manipulation

it will be empatich manipulation at peak.

 

[BetterThanYou]

because maybe only gods are acasual? (not counting black goku with ring, they was talking about him too). also not errased it's when it's destroyed

Acausality(type 1) is being unaffected by events in the past and future right?

 

[manu_zarri]

Acausality(type 1) is being unaffected by events in the past and future right?

in past, not always in future, but ye.

 

[BetterThanYou]

in past, not always in future, but ye.

So should every DB character have type 1 acausality? They are not affected by the events of other timelines from other points in time

 

[manu_zarri]

So should every DB character have type 1 acausality? They are not affected by the events of other timelines from other points in time

we already had this debate and it's a no for 2 motivation: 1) it's verse mechanich 2) timelines in dragon ball are totally different multiverses and stuff. also it's more complicated then that so ye.

 

[BetterThanYou]

we already had this debate and it's a no for 2 motivation: 1) it's verse mechanich 2) timelines in dragon ball are totally different multiverses and stuff. also it's more complicated then that so ye.

"Verse mechanics" is a pretty lazy excuse here.
Zamasu went to an alternate timeline took that timeline's goku's body and killed him. Yet goku from the main timeline was fine.
That is a clear cut example of acausality type 1. And it should apply to all DB characters.
I proposed the "limited acausality negation" rating because i was under the impression that all DB characters already had acausality type 1 by default.
But since they don't have it, then i guess just acausality negation should be fine for GODs and other deities in dragon ball.

 

[Orange]

we already had this debate and it's a no for 2 motivation: 1) it's verse mechanich 2) timelines in dragon ball are totally different multiverses and stuff. also it's more complicated then that so ye.

What do you mean verse specific? It just means that dbz characters are acasual type 1 by default since the change sif the past doesn't effect the present or the future.
Which is acausual type 1

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Disagree with the ability additions to Infinite Zamasu for AKM sama’s reasons. Also that acausality being described for Gods would be type 1 at best.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Disagree with the ability additions to Infinite Zamasu for AKM sama’s reasons.

It isnt even the reason that it is being added

 

[sanicspood]

Disagree with the ability additions to Infinite Zamasu for AKM sama’s reasons. Also that acausality being described for Gods would be type 1 at best.

like 3 people refuted what he said lmfao


and it isnt even the right reason. actually read the thread before blindly agreeing.

 

[Lord_JJJ]

Even though I pretty much don't like Zamasu, I agree with AE for him the evidences here are soild

For Acuasility, I have some problems. I personnaly beileve that it is just "when gods change the time it is really changed and not a new time get created" It is just the higher role of "God" makes that the universal law of "when change the time new timeline created" don't implaied to them. I have no idea what that should grant them. For time rings ut iz just acuasility type 1, I fail to see how it can be anything else

 

[Orange]

Disagree with the ability additions to Infinite Zamasu for AKM sama’s reasons. Also that acausality being described for Gods would be type 1 at best.

but akm ddidn't even talk about AE....
be careful, your vegeta is showing, or your bias

 

[manu_zarri]

What do you mean verse specific? It just means that dbz characters are acasual type 1 by default since the change sif the past doesn't effect the present or the future.
Which is acausual type 1

we don't give the acasual or paradox immunity to characthers if it's due to the verse that make it like that, i remember that it's used to be as reasoning for jojo menger sponge paradox stuff, even if not, dbz aren't acasual 1 either way since everything that they do, even smallest thing, create a total differnt timeline, so the future timeline wasn't the same of present

 

[Orange]

we don't give the acasual or paradox immunity to characthers if it's due to the verse that make it like that, i remember that it's used to be as reasoning for jojo menger sponge paradox stuff, even if not, dbz aren't acasual 1 either way since everything that they do, even smallest thing, create a total differnt timeline, so the future timeline wasn't the same of present

But they don't get effected by the changes of the past, thus type 1. But this is derailing till another thread

 

[Rez]

Even though I pretty much don't like Zamasu, I agree with AE for him the evidences here are soild

For Acuasility, I have some problems. I personnaly beileve that it is just "when gods change the time it is really changed and not a new time get created" It is just the higher role of "God" makes that the universal law of "when change the time new timeline created" don't implaied to them. I have no idea what that should grant them. For time rings ut iz just acuasility type 1, I fail to see how it can be anything else

Yeah time rings are definitely type 1 only. But if Beerus acausilty type 1 negation get's accepted then it will be above baseline type 1 if that's a thing

 

[Rez]

we don't give the acasual or paradox immunity to characthers if it's due to the verse that make it like that, i remember that it's used to be as reasoning for jojo menger sponge paradox stuff, even if not, dbz aren't acasual 1 either way since everything that they do, even smallest thing, create a total differnt timeline, so the future timeline wasn't the same of present

Jojo is quite different from dragon Ball though in db any change in past, future and present simply results in a new timeline so a time paradox never happens

 

[manu_zarri]

But they don't get effected by the changes of the past, thus type 1.

the changes in past are changes in past but not in their timeline

 

[manu_zarri]

Jojo is quite different from dragon Ball though in db any change in past, future and present simply results in a new timeline so a time paradox never happens

ye that's what im trying to say

 

[Rez]

the changes in past are changes in past but not in their timeline

Yeah which means that character doesn't get affected by those changes