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What do you mean?I generally see quotation of references from game chapters or stages or cut scenes of a video game a parallel to calling out chapters from an issue of a comic book.
It makes them look bad stylistically though. I much prefer the approaches that I mentioned earlier, but I still need help with this.Not suggesting we try to add it to all pages. But if we start with a few noteworthy pages as examples, it would get the message out.
And I do think that the infoboxes take priority either way.
Well, if we manage to turn references into a massive trend that encompasses virtually all of our wiki pages after a few years, we might be able to apply stricter standards than I suggested above, but not otherwise.I'm fine with "far preferable" but I don't think it should be obligatory even for pages made in the future, I understand the concern that no one will do it if that's the case but I like to think that those who have the time and interest to write down references would do it anyway for the sake of a higher quality page.
The first needs no explanation. Just saying there exists a feat of surviving fire attacks adds nothing. It's like saying "has demonstrated fire resistance". A reference to a feat where the character survives fire attacks would do.How would you put "Resistance to Fire Manipulation (Can survive fire attacks)" or "Breaking the Fourth Wall (Expressed annoyance at the lack of boss battles in the arena)" in NA/T?
Reminds me of the explanation needed template from back in the days. That never really caught on.We could make a "Citation needed" template and add that on to sections that seem like they could easily have references supplied.
It doesn't fix the problem but it would help spread awareness and gradually result in profiles being fixed as the citation template is replaced with references.
For page making it's definitely a little difficult. However, perhaps we could require it when CRT's are getting applied in the future? Since CRTs already need to present the source material, which the changes are based on, the reference for where stuff comes from should be available in them anyway. So it wouldn't be a lot of extra effort to add them to the page, too, at that point.Just so I'm sure I understand correctly, even for profiles made in the future, we're not gonna be deleting them if they don't have references, right? Because that's a lot to ask of normal users making their first page, for example
This may be a good idea.For page making it's definitely a little difficult. However, perhaps we could require it when CRT's are getting applied in the future? Since CRTs already need to present the source material, which the changes are based on, the reference for where stuff comes from should be available in them anyway. So it wouldn't be a lot of extra effort to add them to the page, too, at that point.
Well, I think that this seems like something good to initially focus on before we proceed with further and stricter requirements.My ideas so far are to highlight an information thread about this to inform our members, to update our standard format for character profiles, editing rules, and welcome message pages, to write a new references information page, and to mention it briefly in the first page of the wiki, with a link to the aforementioned references information page.
I need some help with this though.
Are any of you willing to help me with the wiki information page work described above please? I would greatly appreciate it.My ideas so far are to highlight an information thread about this to inform our members, to update our standard format for character profiles, editing rules, and welcome message pages, to write a new references information page, and to mention it briefly in the first page of the wiki, with a link to the aforementioned references information page.
I need some help with this though.
Is the result of all this going to look like the standard character format page?I am not sure if that is a good idea. Linking to the standards format for character profiles page and our upcoming references page in the header text for the content revisions forum would likely be more useful, but would still seem very out of place.
What help would you need done, Ant? I don't have the most professional tendency towards language but if I'm able to help I gladly will.Are any of you willing to help me with the wiki information page work described above please? I would greatly appreciate it.
After we are done, I can write a new news and announcements forum thread about them on my own.
Thank you for the offer to help.Anyway, I need suggestions for how to rewrite the standard format page, the editing rules page, and the welcome message page in appropriate manners.
We should preferably also write a specific page about our new standards for when and how to use references properly in our wiki, in order to simplify things for our members, and make them less confused. It should mention examples for comic books and manga, games, books, movies and TV shows.
We could simply call the new page "References" or somesuch.
After all of our preparations have been finished, I can start a highlighted news & announcements thread.
If you are referring to the new references page, I think that it should mainly feature elaborate explanations regarding how to use them properly in our wiki, as well as our associated rules/standard conventions.Is the result of all this going to look like the standard character format page?
It seems fine.Also, should I remove the "Optional" text from the references section of the standard format for character profiles page and the corresponding section of its header image?
Anyway, I need suggestions for how to rewrite the standard format page, the editing rules page, and the welcome message page in appropriate manners.
We should preferably also write a specific page about our new standards for when and how to use references properly in our wiki, in order to simplify things for our members, and make them less confused. It should mention examples for comic books and manga, games, books, movies and TV shows.
We could simply call the new page "References" or somesuch.
After all of our preparations have been finished, I can start a highlighted news & announcements thread.
My ideas so far are to highlight an information thread about this to inform our members, to update our standard format for character profiles, editing rules, and welcome message pages, to write a new references information page, and to mention it briefly in the first page of the wiki, with a link to the aforementioned references information page.
I need help with structuring and applying the above changes.I basically need help with the above issues, based on our earlier discussion here in this thread.
Also, should I remove the "Optional" text from the references section of the standard format for character profiles page and the corresponding section of its header image?
The standard format for characters already has a section dedicated to references. Just removing the "optional" tag will be enough.I need suggestions for how to rewrite the standard format page
A straightforward suggestion would be something like:the editing rules page
This is a good idea. A page that explains how we should use references for each medium with examples would be nice.We should preferably also write a specific page about our new standards for when and how to use references properly in our wiki, in order to simplify things for our members, and make them less confused. It should mention examples for comic books and manga, games, books, movies and TV shows.
Okay. Somebody needs to edit the header image so the "Optional" part of this section is whited out there are well though.The standard format for characters already has a section dedicated to references. Just removing the "optional" tag will be enough.
Yes. That seems fine.A straightforward suggestion would be something like:
- Please always include the References section in character pages and information blogs to source all the important information covered in said profile or blog. To know more, read the References page.
Agreed.This is a good idea. A page that explains how we should use references for each medium with examples would be nice.
Comics, it's kinda meaningless tbh, they can go on for decades in a single volume, soAll of them should preferably use year of release as well
...mangas have volumes?and anime and manga should use series name, episode/chapter number, and volume specifications in the cases several versions were released.
I'd suggest that the user may also add the page number or timeframe whenever applicable, depending on the piece of media. Of course, that'd be optional as it can be a hassle, but it could be good.So what is the proposed format then?
Suggestions I can think of, are:
Anime shit, idk. Not familiar with it.
- "[Series Name] Vol [Volume Number] Issue [Issue Number]" for comic books
- "[Series Name] S[Season Number] Ep. [Episode Number]" for TV series/Webseries
- "[Entry Name] ([Year of Release])" for games/books/movies
ye...mangas have volumes?