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Immeasurable speed characters updating second round
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I agree very strongly
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Outliers because when put next to literally every other feat Super Sonic has, it's just like "Uh yeah, this is so far from being consitent it ain't even funny" type of deal.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Super Sonic was never even close to his full power in any of his fights aside from the Solaris fight. Also, Super Sonic has variable tier on his AP so idk why that wouldn't also apply to his speed as well
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It can't be an "outlier" when it's the peak of power, an outlier is the deviation outside the norm, but a peak would already be outside the normal, since that's what peak means
Anyways I agree with everyone else about leaving it to it's own thread
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What even is this argument? Sonic being at his peak is already accepted, that's the entire point of variable tier, it's already on the profile
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Because he's the only villain in the entire Sonic franchise to ever harm Super Sonic or damage him. Everyone else can at best push him back or stun him momentarily
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Sonic also has other 2-C feats alongside Burning Blaze with the Egg Wizard
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Someone can make a thread for the Solaris scaling and link it here, derailed posts will be removed from this point on.
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ok I'm finally done with my revisions, so is there anything new regarding the standards for immeasurable speeds that I missed? Or is it the same? Cause I'll explain the reason Blazblue has immeasurable speeds when I get this question answered.
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Ok, so here's basically the whole context regarding the whole transcending space and time stuff, the boundary does have statements of transcending space and time, and the whole realm can allow time travel for anyone capable of moving in the realm, though there's a bit more stuff I found that could help immeasurable speed. One of the characters explained that he went forward in time when he got to the Boundary, and after saying that, someone claims that he transcends time and space for being capable of time traveling. So if I'm not mistaken merely having the statement of transcending time and space isn't enough, and there needs to be proof for actual time travel through said statement through movement. If that's the case this should be the case given more than half the cast is capable of moving in the realm, and given how there's a statement of them being beyond time and space thanks to doing that, it should scale to the rest of the characters who replicated that feat. There's also the fact that the Black Beast is a literal out of control gate to the boundary, giving it access to the Boundary's powers given its out of control nature compared to normal cauldrons. I wanna know if this can qualify for immeasurable speed.
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It's far more likely for its transcendence over time and space/status as beyond it to translate only into time/space-based gimmicks like it. Transcendence and being beyond stuff are as much as being Immeasurable as being called powerful being 3-A; why brought it up when it's not the real reason for the stat? With that aside you only got time travel, which is not Immeasurable on its own. Fiction also loves to have messed up time and space and make them justify odd and outright goofy time and space-based stuff.
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If that place is like that they would only have immesurable on that specific place, outside of it they would not be immesurable
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Yeah, that mostly sounds like a combination of Dimensional Travel and Time Travel.
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What about being able to attack someone’s past self? Would that count?
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Also my point wasn’t just time travel, they literally need to move in the realm to time travel to begin with and one of the characters was flat out stated to transcend space and time for doing this. It’s not just the boundary that transcends it, it’s the characters doing said feat.
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Attacking people's past might qualify; but I think that might be seen as a range feat that characters can reach previous time periods. But if the text has literally been described as faster than instantly, that would be very much solid evidence.
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The attack was stated and shown to transcend a power to the point that someone who got hit in the present also got hit in the past by the exact same wound if that counts for something.
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Another thing brought up is the difference between an attack with temporal AoE not always being evidence of Immeasurable combat speed or reactions.
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That sounds like less they are so fast that they can attack in the past, and more the attack has an Ability that causes the damage to spread to the past as well.
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Ok, and what about my point about the character transcending time and space for being able to move through time? Cause last time I checked that’s something Digimon characters have that allows for immeasurable speed.
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What do you think about Theglassman12's arguments?
What do you think about Theglassman12's arguments?
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Btw, somewhat related but shouldn’t Cloud of Darkness from FF3 have her infinite speed feat removed from her page? She only scales from that via timeless voids which don’t count last time I checked.
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if that is the reasoning then yea she should have it removed
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I removed from Cloud of Darkness.
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Also shouldn't GER lose his rating? His came from moving when there was not time
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It was Infinite, but the protagonists did scale so I removed it from them too.
Rikimarox2
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There is an ongoing discussion about it rn, don't remove it yet.
Zencha9
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Just wanted to ask was To Aru characters talked about in this thread? Because the reasoning seems kinda weak
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Forgot about downgrading Leylin Farflier years ago, immeasurable speed is wrong. He just has a vague statement of transcending space-time.
As a Rank 7 Sacrificer he would scale above Rank 6 Warlock so that should be Sub-Relativistic. His others keys would just be FTL based on this
Of course might have overlooked something since i read the story years ago, but really don't intend on speeding a month reading 1200 chapters again.
As a Rank 7 Sacrificer he would scale above Rank 6 Warlock so that should be Sub-Relativistic. His others keys would just be FTL based on this
Of course might have overlooked something since i read the story years ago, but really don't intend on speeding a month reading 1200 chapters again.
Zencha9
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Im pretty sure that moving in a place that has no concepts of time and distance doesn't qualify for Immeasurable
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So what about my points regarding BlazBlue immeasurable? Is that enough?
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Nicol Bolas has immeasurable speed.
Likely Immeasurable (Able to exist outside the normal planes of the multiverse, having to willingly restrict himself in order to manifest within such a lower reality. Unaffected by changes to the timestream on a multiversal scale and Teferi's time manipulation)
Does this qualify?
Likely Immeasurable (Able to exist outside the normal planes of the multiverse, having to willingly restrict himself in order to manifest within such a lower reality. Unaffected by changes to the timestream on a multiversal scale and Teferi's time manipulation)
Does this qualify?
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