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Ichigo Kurosaki (Post-Dangai/Saigo no Getsuga Tenshō) vs Hell Joe (Red Thryssa)
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I'm going with Ichigo if he lands Mugetsu.
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@Frantzy and Gear2nd
Hell Joe's ability to nullify his opponent's Shinsoo by preventing him from using shinsoo techniques, and then since I put the Verse Equalization then: Shinsoo = Reiatsu, then Hell Joe can use The Zero Area to prevent Ichigo from using any technique involving Reiatsu, which involves Mugetsu and Flash-Step.
Why are you saying that Ichigo can one-shot Hell Joe? As far as I know this Ichigo is scaled to be higher than 8 Teratons or 16 Teratons, while Hell Joe is scaled to 29 Teratons and can get stronger by using the power of Red Thryssa in excess.
Hell Joe's ability to nullify his opponent's Shinsoo by preventing him from using shinsoo techniques, and then since I put the Verse Equalization then: Shinsoo = Reiatsu, then Hell Joe can use The Zero Area to prevent Ichigo from using any technique involving Reiatsu, which involves Mugetsu and Flash-Step.
Why are you saying that Ichigo can one-shot Hell Joe? As far as I know this Ichigo is scaled to be higher than 8 Teratons or 16 Teratons, while Hell Joe is scaled to 29 Teratons and can get stronger by using the power of Red Thryssa in excess.
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This shinsoo isn't energy from what i'm seeing here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinshoo_Manipulation unless you can explain it to me or how these "floors" work i'm not seeing it.
Also I don't see a calc linked to the profile so where this 29 Teratons coming from?
Also I don't see a calc linked to the profile so where this 29 Teratons coming from?
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1 - Well, shinsoo acts like the electrons and moves like air in the tower or in the floors, in spite of having an appearance more like something liquid to handle the shinsoo is practically matter manipulation, and well even shinsoo not being energy, the verse equalization should solve this problem, I mean, we've done until another match between a Baam and Meliodas using verse equalization doing: shinsoo = magic, and both are totally different.
2 - The calc of 29 Teratons:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:RinkakuKagune/Urek_Mazino_Attack
1 - Well, shinsoo acts like the electrons and moves like air in the tower or in the floors, in spite of having an appearance more like something liquid to handle the shinsoo is practically matter manipulation, and well even shinsoo not being energy, the verse equalization should solve this problem, I mean, we've done until another match between a Baam and Meliodas using verse equalization doing: shinsoo = magic, and both are totally different.
2 - The calc of 29 Teratons:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:RinkakuKagune/Urek_Mazino_Attack
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What updates? If an update even occurs I will have to ask someone to close this Thread.KazuiK said:
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Well, look at the calc edit.KazuiK said:
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High 6-A, according to BWFanboy's calculation.
Edit: I just hope someone estimates that calculation.
Edit: I just hope someone estimates that calculation.
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I'm not seeing how shinsoo (electrons) is anything like reiatsu (spiritrons). Say he can nullify Ichigo's reiatsu. That still leaves him with Ichigo's island busting swings and insane speed to deal with.
Also. Is there no limit to the amount of power Hell Joe can nullify? As soul reapers and hollows couldn't sense Aizen's reiatsu during his weaker incarnations, and Aizen couldn't sense Ichigo's FGT power as it was being displayed before him stating that "he's power's at and even higher league than my own." Saying that Hell Joe can nullify a High 6B power level is a NLF right?
Hell Joe is strong from the looks of things, but saying he beats Ichigo is pretty much saying he beats Aizen. I just don't see that happening because I don't think his hax affects beings made of spiritrons seeing as he has no soul.
Also. Is there no limit to the amount of power Hell Joe can nullify? As soul reapers and hollows couldn't sense Aizen's reiatsu during his weaker incarnations, and Aizen couldn't sense Ichigo's FGT power as it was being displayed before him stating that "he's power's at and even higher league than my own." Saying that Hell Joe can nullify a High 6B power level is a NLF right?
Hell Joe is strong from the looks of things, but saying he beats Ichigo is pretty much saying he beats Aizen. I just don't see that happening because I don't think his hax affects beings made of spiritrons seeing as he has no soul.
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Standard Battle Assumptions should take care of that problem
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So we'll go off of this link ZackMoon1234 shared "SBA" for now.
Mugetsu did not show limits as it had no issue vaporizing Aizen completely (Though he survived due to the Hogyoku granting him immortality).
1 - If we're strictly using FGT Ichigo and he misses his swing then he's in trouble since his powers fade afterwards.
2 - If Hell Joe's power nullification worked this would render the FGT transformation useless, and if anything it would keep Ichigo from wasting away his powers on Mugetsu.
3 - Does Hell Joe's hax also nullify all physical abilities and speed truthfully? If so, that would make Ichigo mearly a plus.
4 - Restricting Ichigo to FGT and using Hell Joe's strongest incarnation is really setting Ichigo up.
I don't know much about Hell Joe, but know alot about Ichigo. I assume you have good knowledge of both characters which is why you started this thread.
Edit: I'm saying if Mugetsu hits then Ichigo wins, but if Hell Joe's hax works then Mugetsu cannot even be used seeing as it took a minute for Ichigo to become Zangetsu and swing at a bewildered Aizen.
Mugetsu did not show limits as it had no issue vaporizing Aizen completely (Though he survived due to the Hogyoku granting him immortality).
1 - If we're strictly using FGT Ichigo and he misses his swing then he's in trouble since his powers fade afterwards.
2 - If Hell Joe's power nullification worked this would render the FGT transformation useless, and if anything it would keep Ichigo from wasting away his powers on Mugetsu.
3 - Does Hell Joe's hax also nullify all physical abilities and speed truthfully? If so, that would make Ichigo mearly a plus.
4 - Restricting Ichigo to FGT and using Hell Joe's strongest incarnation is really setting Ichigo up.
I don't know much about Hell Joe, but know alot about Ichigo. I assume you have good knowledge of both characters which is why you started this thread.
Edit: I'm saying if Mugetsu hits then Ichigo wins, but if Hell Joe's hax works then Mugetsu cannot even be used seeing as it took a minute for Ichigo to become Zangetsu and swing at a bewildered Aizen.
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@Gear2nd
Now that I have time, I'll answer your question.
How will Hell Joe be killed by Ichigo if he's already dead?
1 - In fact, I'll put Post-Dangai and FGT can be used for this match, not just the FGT.
2 - So you're saying that Hell Joe would render Ichigo's FGT useless and would it make him return to Post-Dangai form? Although Ichigo even in the Post-Dangai form would still be stronger than this Hell Joe (Of course, taking away the fact that Hell Joe can get stronger by letting himself be dominated by Red Thryssa)
3 - Well, if Ichigo's physical abilities and speed increase involve Reiatsu, then Hell Joe can easily prevent Ichigo from using them to hone his physical abilities. Well, that would prevent most of Ichigo's techniques from being used, since Hell Joe easily nullified a High 6-B.
4 - In fact even practically restricting the FGT and Mugetsu, even so Ichigo still has AP's advantage of Durability, I mean its Post-Dangai form was stomp Trancendent Aizen that was vastly superior to its Chrysalis that was stronger or comparable to Kenpachi than the AP was 26 Teratons.
Well, I find it difficult for Ichigo to use Mugetsu, Hell Joe in character or not always starts using his Hax nullification.
Now that I have time, I'll answer your question.
How will Hell Joe be killed by Ichigo if he's already dead?
1 - In fact, I'll put Post-Dangai and FGT can be used for this match, not just the FGT.
2 - So you're saying that Hell Joe would render Ichigo's FGT useless and would it make him return to Post-Dangai form? Although Ichigo even in the Post-Dangai form would still be stronger than this Hell Joe (Of course, taking away the fact that Hell Joe can get stronger by letting himself be dominated by Red Thryssa)
3 - Well, if Ichigo's physical abilities and speed increase involve Reiatsu, then Hell Joe can easily prevent Ichigo from using them to hone his physical abilities. Well, that would prevent most of Ichigo's techniques from being used, since Hell Joe easily nullified a High 6-B.
4 - In fact even practically restricting the FGT and Mugetsu, even so Ichigo still has AP's advantage of Durability, I mean its Post-Dangai form was stomp Trancendent Aizen that was vastly superior to its Chrysalis that was stronger or comparable to Kenpachi than the AP was 26 Teratons.
Well, I find it difficult for Ichigo to use Mugetsu, Hell Joe in character or not always starts using his Hax nullification.
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All right.KazuiK said:
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