Hunter x Hunter Overhaul (Scaling)

[Antvasima]

We can wait a little while, but given that two calc group members have accepted vaporisation already, we can probably proceed if the others do not reply.

 

[Hk1488]

Since no one else replied, does that mean vaporization is accepted now?

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose so, yes.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Unfortunately, we're not really done yet. Because we have three different Calculations for Meruem's Rage Blast.

This is the current used one. Which scales this panel of Gon's head to the Nen thing, basically going two steps.

Using Vaporization on this, the result would be 546,3 Megatons of TNT, or 7-A

This is the one from ChaosTheory123, which uses the same exact panel, but scales Gon's entire height to the Nen thingy.

Their Vaporization result was 542.9 Megatons.

Last, but not least, we have Cable's, which uses this panel to scale Gon's full height to the Nen thingy.

His Vaporization Result is 571.83 Megatons.


Of course, it's a very small change, but it doesn't hurt to be accurate, does it?

 

[Theendzero13]

Unfortunately, we're not really done yet. Because we have three different Calculations for Meruem's Rage Blast.

This is the current used one. Which scales this panel of Gon's head to the Nen thing, basically going two steps.

Using Vaporization on this, the result would be 546,3 Megatons of TNT, or 7-A

This is the one from ChaosTheory123, which uses the same exact panel, but scales Gon's entire height to the Nen thingy.

Their Vaporization result was 542.9 Megatons.

Last, but not least, we have Cable's, which uses this panel to scale Gon's full height to the Nen thingy.

His Vaporization Result is 571.83 Megatons.


Of course, it's a very small change, but it doesn't hurt to be accurate, does it?

Can't we use the size of the bodhisattva to get the size of the hill instead?

 

[Antvasima]

I think that we should continue to use our VS Battles blog calculation. It is the least unnecessarily problematic to apply, especially if the results are almost identical.

Also, TataHakai is a former calc group member.

 

[Hk1488]

Can't we use the size of the bodhisattva to get the size of the hill instead

But the plateaus are not the same ones

 

[Theendzero13]

But the plateaus are not the same ones

Yeah ,but we got some aerial views of th battlefield and they seens to have conparable height, i just think that 354 meters height like tata found is pretty sus

 

[Hk1488]

Yeah ,but we got some aerial views of th battlefield and they seens to have conparable height, i just think that 354 meters height like tata found is pretty sus

I agree with that. Anyway no matter how you calc it, it will always be at least city level so that's cool

 

[Hk1488]

Just calced using 75 meters plateau height. Which is pathetically small for plateaus. I still got City level at least. So meruem is definitely gonna have an upgrade

 

[Theendzero13]

Just calced using 75 meters plateau height. Which is pathetically small for plateaus. I still got City level at least. So meruem is definitely gonna have an upgrade

Can you send the math?
Like i agree with using it as a low end, later everyone can debate which is better to use

 

[Hk1488]

Can you send the math?
Like i agree with using it as a low end, later everyone can debate which is better to use

I just all the sizes with a basis of the height of 75 meters as an absolute absolute low end. Nothing more. No basis behind 75 meters just for fun

 

[Theendzero13]

Like if everyone thinks 354 meters is fine i will not oppose it , but it does look and feel very weird that is for sure

 

[Theendzero13]

I think we also agree that there is no way post rose meruem is bellow the poor man's rose explosion right?

 

[Hk1488]

I think we also agree that there is no way post rose meruem is bellow the poor man's rose explosion right?

Yeah I would agree with that

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I think we also agree that there is no way post rose meruem is bellow the poor man's rose explosion right?

There’s no reason he wouldn’t be. It isn’t like he absorbed the Bomb’s power

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I think that we should continue to use our VS Battles blog calculation. It is the least unnecessarily problematic to apply, especially if the results are almost identical.

Also, TataHakai is a former calc group me

I agree with this. (For some reason, I cannot type into the reply section, help? I can just paste words there)

 

[Hk1488]

Just checked the manga after you pointed this out theendzero13. The small plateaus are truly ALL the same size. Not only that but he did his attack almost at the same spot where we see all the plateaus being the same size. I tried working with that. Assuming the hill comparing to the bodhisattva are about 30 meters tall the bigger plateau would be 100 meters in height. We can see that by the fact that we see the shot in comparison to the small cliffs followed by seeing the shot in comparison to the bigger one. The difference in size would be over 3 times bigger. Scaling the blast to meruem and then to the big plateau gave me like 77 meters height and both gave me city level results. However I can't pixelscale so the sizes are not accurate at all. I would appreciate if anyone would calc it using the methods

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

What height can I use for this hill? Originally I thought of using the height of a mountain, but this is obviously wrong

 

[Hk1488]

What height can I use for this hill? Originally I thought of using the height of a mountain, but this is obviously wrong

Can you tell me which chapter?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

75

 

[Hk1488]

75

I dont know if you actually can but my most accurate guess would be its roughly equal to the other

 

[Hk1488]

Can we get back to meruem and youpi now? What results does youpi have now and who scales to it?

 

[Theendzero13]

Can we get back to meruem and youpi now? What results does youpi have now and who scales to it?

Youpi now scales to 87,45 killotons (town level+) base pitou scales to it
- pre rose-meruem,adult gon,puppet pitou and zero hand upscale to 100 killotons(large town level)
-the bodhisattva downscale to 55 killotons ( baseline town level+ )
Furthermore adult gon is 1 megaton with rock ( baseline small city level )

 

[Theendzero13]

If you guys ain't found of upscaling we can use gon damaging pitou with a nenless kick as a pseudo multiplier,as the character aura scales above their physical strenght most of the time making adult gon over 2 times above pitou

 

[Chariot190]

Probably already mentioned, but a bit of extra evidence for Mereum's beam to have vape, or at least melting, the anime shows the mountain glow red hot orange before exploding, so the beam definitely heated up the rock to at least melting point.
To further that, it uses extremely similar effects to Zero Hand, in regards to dust, steam and smoke, which the anime showed to have melted and charred the place it hit explicitly.

That's assuming you're using anime as supplementary evidence, if not, ignore that.

 

[Theendzero13]

I am cool with both methods TBH

 

[Theendzero13]

Probably already mentioned, but a bit of extra evidence for Mereum's beam to have vape, or at least melting, the anime shows the mountain glow red hot orange before exploding, so the beam definitely heated up the rock to at least melting point.
To further that, it uses extremely similar effects to Zero Hand, in regards to dust, steam and smoke, which the anime showed to have melted and charred the place it hit explicitly.

That's assuming you're using anime as supplementary evidence, if not, ignore that.

Thank you

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Let’s just use vaporisation and get through this

 

[Theendzero13]

I will update the scaling with vaporization,

 

[Theendzero13]

I will be using databook stats as supporting evidence since those have little to no contradictions


God tiers:
Those are proxies until we find better feats for them

Meruem: 100 killotons, far above pitou and youpi, can overpower them with casual attacks, only took small damage from zero hand

Youpi: 87,45 killotons, over 10 times the 137,5 tons characters, has a feat on this level, higher with transformations

Pitou (base): 87,45 killotons stated to be the king top soldier by illumi and to have strenght second only to the king in side material,making it above youpi

Adult gon: 100 killotons, easely defeated and overpowered base pitou with a nenless kick, pitou was afraid he would go after the king, his binding vow has several similarities to netero's zero hand binding vow and likely has similar power , 1 megaton with rock

Netero(invasion/regained groove/ post training): 275 tons (should be stronger than uvo due to being an enhancer and having 5/5 databook stats) 55 killotons with bodhisattva (could not damage pitou and meruem , but still crashed and repelled them back, 100 killotons with zero hand

(Puppet) pitou: 100 killotons far stronger than before, took many attacks from adult gon before being killed

High tiers:
- uvogin: 275 tons, performed a 55 tons feat while at 20% , chrollo though it was impossible to defeat him with raw power and is physically the strongest of the troupe, 2,75 killotons with big bang impact

-kurapika (with emperor time) : 137,5 tons matched uvo who was using 50% of his power, 1,375 killotons with ko

-chrollo: 137,5 tons hisoka is more interested in fighting him than fighting any other troupe member or kurapika , called the strongest member of the troupe in side material, has 4 and 4 stats for nen and body in the databooks while kurapika has 3 and 4

- hisoka: 137,5 tons physically stronger than chrollo

-zeno: 137,5 tons matched chrollo

- silva: 137,5 tons matched chrollo, one-shotted the squadron leader cheetu

- razor: 137,5 tons stronger than hisoka physically

-base Kurapika: 91,67 tons around 60% of emperor time kurapika , 916,7 tons with ko

-Pouf: 137,5 tons the weakest royal guard, could not one-shot members of the invasion team like his collegues, homever as a royal and having
5/5 nen and body stats in the databooks he should be above the likes of hisoka and chrollo who only have 4/4 stats, stronger than morel,knov and pre-invasion netero

-Kite: 137,5 tons even with one arm gave small bruises to a newborn pitou who is called the strongest opponent gon and killua ever fought putting it(pitou) above razor,hisoka and chrollo, gave trouble to knuckle and shoot combined even as a reanimated corpse

CA Killua: 137,5 tons took little to no damage from ikalgo's bullets who can do heavy damage to royal guard trained squadron leaders like welfin who should be comparable to base zarzam, easely took down multiple jets and tanks while fatigued, brovada another squadron leader needed multiple attacks and strugled to take one tank down, one shotted rammot an officer ant, defeated leol's squad composed of 4+ officers and multiple peons without using his yo-yos and only briefily using his nen ability , despite the squad using strategy to gain an edge, has 4/4 databook stats, 1,375 killotons with ko

CA Gon : 137,5 tons comparable to killua, defeated 3 chimera officers despite getting multiple hits from them he did not suffer any serious damage at all and retaliated with one-shots, 1,375 killotons with rock

Morel: 137,5 tons comparable to killua, can beat squadron leaders without much trouble

Shoot: 137,5 tons comparable to killua

Knucke: 137,5 tons comparable to killua

Knov: 137,5 tons comparable to morel

Illumi: 137,5 tons comparable to hisoka and likely above killua

Phinks: 137,5 tons a little above feitan and comparable to hisoka, up to 1,375 killotons with ripper cycloton( thought he could beat zarzam )

Feitan: 137,5 tons pain packer ignores durability via heat, 1,375 killotons with ko

Zazam (base) : 137,5 tons matched feitan

Transformed zazam: 137,5, tons with at least 1,375 killotons in durability, tanked feitan ko attack but could not seriously harm him with multiple attacks

Machi: 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga though that she could kill hisoka

Nobunaga: 137,5 tons comparable to machi, possibly stronger than phinks as killua was more scared of him than phinks and nobunaga though he could take phinks down

Franklin: 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, though he could kill hisoka

Shizuku: 0026 tons lost an arm wrestle to yorknew gon homever she was not using her dominant arm 137,5 tons with blink, conjurers can put can put more aura on their weapons than in their bodies one-shoted full power nobunaga with a surprise attack

Bonolenov : 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, 1,375 killotons with jupiter(though he could kill zarzam)

Netero( rusty, pre-invasion ) : 137,5 tons around half as strong as his prime, comparable to know and morel, and weaker than pouf

Mid tiers:

GI Gon: 13,75 tons his rock matched razor's full power, 137,5 tons with rock

GI: killua: 13,75 tons comparable to gon, 137,5 tons with ko

Rammot: 13,75 tons stronger than greedy island gon and killua

Genthru: 13,75 tons stronger than GI Gon, 27,5 tons with little flower ( the explosion uses twice as much aura as a punch ) ,
275 tons with countdown( 10 times stronger than little flower )


Low tiers:

Yorknew gon: 0,026 tons performed a feat on this level very early in greed island before getting any physical training

Yorknew killua: 0,026 tons comparable to gon

Pakunoda: 0,026 tons got damaged by yorknew gon and killua but still stronger than then

Kortopi: unknown, lacks physical feats

Shalnark: 0,026 tons comparable to pakunoda, was unsure on his ability to damage a peon chimera ant, far higher with autopilot one-shotted a peon chimera ant

Kalluto: 0,026 tons weaker than shalnark , but should be comparable to yorknew killua

Fodder/nenless tier:
All of the following scale above the the 174,9 killojoules three spliting feat performed by a random hunter candidate

BOS: Killua,kurapika,leorio,gon

Done

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Why would we change the plateau size by scaling it to other plateaus instead of directly scaling it with the exact shots from the feat itself? Scaling the blast to Meruem doesn't work, as the blast seems to grow in size by a very significant amount as it reaches the Nen creature.

Togashi drew a panel comparing the blast to the Nen Creature, and we got a shot where we see the nen creature compared to Meruem earlier. It's almost the same chapter, so claiming inconsistency is nonsense.

We should absolutely use the method of comparison given by the feat itself, when the blast was at it's largest. These work-arounds because you feel like "354m is too sus" are not reliable at all.

 

[Hk1488]

So are we going to do a vaporization calc for the two now or are we oK with the 7C and 7A calcs for youpi and meruem?

 

[Hk1488]

Why would we change the plateau size by scaling it to other plateaus instead of directly scaling it with the exact shots from the feat itself? Scaling the blast to Meruem doesn't work, as the blast seems to grow in size by a very significant amount as it reaches the Nen creature.

Togashi drew a panel comparing the blast to the Nen Creature, and we got a shot where we see the nen creature compared to Meruem earlier. It's almost the same chapter, so claiming inconsistency is nonsense.

We should absolutely use the method of comparison given by the feat itself, when the blast was at it's largest. These work-arounds because you feel like "354m is too sus" are not reliable at all.

Bro we all know 340 meters was too much. No the blast doesn't just change in size. It's depicted like this in the anime and manga. It's clearly just togashi not giving a f. 7B also is more consistent with the other characters and would be 600 times above the second strongest feat

 

[GodlyCharmander]

So are we going to do a vaporization calc for the two now or are we oK with the 7C and 7A calcs for youpi and meruem?

I am not opposed to either of those. I do have some problems with the pixelscaling of Youpi's feat, but we can go over that in a different thread if necessary.

 

[Hk1488]

I am not opposed to either of those. I do have some problems with the pixelscaling of Youpi's feat, but we can go over that in a different thread if necessary.

Ok so are we moving on to speed now?

 

[Theendzero13]

Ok so are we moving on to speed now?

Yeah i think so, the pixelscaling can be talked on other threads, no need for we to go on that tangent now

 

[Theendzero13]

Anywhay charmander did an ungodly amount of speed feats , we need to double check their accuracy ( remember shadow saying he had a problem with some of them but i may be misremembering things ) and decide who scales to what

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Bro we all know 340 meters was too much.

"We all"? That's way too pretentious. You're having a conversation with one other person. Don't speak for everyone else.

No the blast doesn't just change in size. It's depicted like this in the anime and manga.

It is not, both the Anime and the Manga portray the blast being FAR bigger than it was at Meruem. Again, clamining inconsistency is absolute non sense, it's literally the same chapter. It would make the nen creature 0.07m tall, which is simply ridiculous considering the other portrays.

It's clearly just togashi not giving a f. 7B also is more consistent with the other characters and would be 600 times above the second strongest feat.

There's no consistency there, nor is there a need for consistency. Post Rose Meruem stands at the absolute top of the verse.


Either way, unless we have more people voicing their opinions on this take, we're going to stick with the 7-A result for now. We can move on to speed for now...


I'll be making a compilation of the accepted feats in a few minutes, I'll just need some calcs evaluated.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Anywhay charmander did an ungodly amount of speed feats , we need to double check their accuracy ( remember shadow saying he had a problem with some of them but i may be misremembering things ) and decide who scales to what

We have some of them accepted, I'll be compiling them here in a sec.