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Can't we use the size of the bodhisattva to get the size of the hill instead?Unfortunately, we're not really done yet. Because we have three different Calculations for Meruem's Rage Blast.
This is the current used one. Which scales this panel of Gon's head to the Nen thing, basically going two steps.
Using Vaporization on this, the result would be 546,3 Megatons of TNT, or 7-A
This is the one from ChaosTheory123, which uses the same exact panel, but scales Gon's entire height to the Nen thingy.
Their Vaporization result was 542.9 Megatons.
Last, but not least, we have Cable's, which uses this panel to scale Gon's full height to the Nen thingy.
His Vaporization Result is 571.83 Megatons.
Of course, it's a very small change, but it doesn't hurt to be accurate, does it?
But the plateaus are not the same onesCan't we use the size of the bodhisattva to get the size of the hill instead
Yeah ,but we got some aerial views of th battlefield and they seens to have conparable height, i just think that 354 meters height like tata found is pretty susBut the plateaus are not the same ones
I agree with that. Anyway no matter how you calc it, it will always be at least city level so that's coolYeah ,but we got some aerial views of th battlefield and they seens to have conparable height, i just think that 354 meters height like tata found is pretty sus
Can you send the math?Just calced using 75 meters plateau height. Which is pathetically small for plateaus. I still got City level at least. So meruem is definitely gonna have an upgrade
I just all the sizes with a basis of the height of 75 meters as an absolute absolute low end. Nothing more. No basis behind 75 meters just for funCan you send the math?
Like i agree with using it as a low end, later everyone can debate which is better to use
Yeah I would agree with thatI think we also agree that there is no way post rose meruem is bellow the poor man's rose explosion right?
There’s no reason he wouldn’t be. It isn’t like he absorbed the Bomb’s powerI think we also agree that there is no way post rose meruem is bellow the poor man's rose explosion right?
I agree with this. (For some reason, I cannot type into the reply section, help? I can just paste words there)I think that we should continue to use our VS Battles blog calculation. It is the least unnecessarily problematic to apply, especially if the results are almost identical.
Also, TataHakai is a former calc group me
Can you tell me which chapter?What height can I use for this hill? Originally I thought of using the height of a mountain, but this is obviously wrong
I dont know if you actually can but my most accurate guess would be its roughly equal to the other
Youpi now scales to 87,45 killotons (town level+) base pitou scales to itCan we get back to meruem and youpi now? What results does youpi have now and who scales to it?
Thank youProbably already mentioned, but a bit of extra evidence for Mereum's beam to have vape, or at least melting, the anime shows the mountain glow red hot orange before exploding, so the beam definitely heated up the rock to at least melting point.
To further that, it uses extremely similar effects to Zero Hand, in regards to dust, steam and smoke, which the anime showed to have melted and charred the place it hit explicitly.
That's assuming you're using anime as supplementary evidence, if not, ignore that.
DoneI will be using databook stats as supporting evidence since those have little to no contradictions
God tiers:
Those are proxies until we find better feats for them
Meruem: 100 killotons, far above pitou and youpi, can overpower them with casual attacks, only took small damage from zero hand
Youpi: 87,45 killotons, over 10 times the 137,5 tons characters, has a feat on this level, higher with transformations
Pitou (base): 87,45 killotons stated to be the king top soldier by illumi and to have strenght second only to the king in side material,making it above youpi
Adult gon: 100 killotons, easely defeated and overpowered base pitou with a nenless kick, pitou was afraid he would go after the king, his binding vow has several similarities to netero's zero hand binding vow and likely has similar power , 1 megaton with rock
Netero(invasion/regained groove/ post training): 275 tons (should be stronger than uvo due to being an enhancer and having 5/5 databook stats) 55 killotons with bodhisattva (could not damage pitou and meruem , but still crashed and repelled them back, 100 killotons with zero hand
(Puppet) pitou: 100 killotons far stronger than before, took many attacks from adult gon before being killed
High tiers:
- uvogin: 275 tons, performed a 55 tons feat while at 20% , chrollo though it was impossible to defeat him with raw power and is physically the strongest of the troupe, 2,75 killotons with big bang impact
-kurapika (with emperor time) : 137,5 tons matched uvo who was using 50% of his power, 1,375 killotons with ko
-chrollo: 137,5 tons hisoka is more interested in fighting him than fighting any other troupe member or kurapika , called the strongest member of the troupe in side material, has 4 and 4 stats for nen and body in the databooks while kurapika has 3 and 4
- hisoka: 137,5 tons physically stronger than chrollo
-zeno: 137,5 tons matched chrollo
- silva: 137,5 tons matched chrollo, one-shotted the squadron leader cheetu
- razor: 137,5 tons stronger than hisoka physically
-base Kurapika: 91,67 tons around 60% of emperor time kurapika , 916,7 tons with ko
-Pouf: 137,5 tons the weakest royal guard, could not one-shot members of the invasion team like his collegues, homever as a royal and having
5/5 nen and body stats in the databooks he should be above the likes of hisoka and chrollo who only have 4/4 stats, stronger than morel,knov and pre-invasion netero
-Kite: 137,5 tons even with one arm gave small bruises to a newborn pitou who is called the strongest opponent gon and killua ever fought putting it(pitou) above razor,hisoka and chrollo, gave trouble to knuckle and shoot combined even as a reanimated corpse
CA Killua: 137,5 tons took little to no damage from ikalgo's bullets who can do heavy damage to royal guard trained squadron leaders like welfin who should be comparable to base zarzam, easely took down multiple jets and tanks while fatigued, brovada another squadron leader needed multiple attacks and strugled to take one tank down, one shotted rammot an officer ant, defeated leol's squad composed of 4+ officers and multiple peons without using his yo-yos and only briefily using his nen ability , despite the squad using strategy to gain an edge, has 4/4 databook stats, 1,375 killotons with ko
CA Gon : 137,5 tons comparable to killua, defeated 3 chimera officers despite getting multiple hits from them he did not suffer any serious damage at all and retaliated with one-shots, 1,375 killotons with rock
Morel: 137,5 tons comparable to killua, can beat squadron leaders without much trouble
Shoot: 137,5 tons comparable to killua
Knucke: 137,5 tons comparable to killua
Knov: 137,5 tons comparable to morel
Illumi: 137,5 tons comparable to hisoka and likely above killua
Phinks: 137,5 tons a little above feitan and comparable to hisoka, up to 1,375 killotons with ripper cycloton( thought he could beat zarzam )
Feitan: 137,5 tons pain packer ignores durability via heat, 1,375 killotons with ko
Zazam (base) : 137,5 tons matched feitan
Transformed zazam: 137,5, tons with at least 1,375 killotons in durability, tanked feitan ko attack but could not seriously harm him with multiple attacks
Machi: 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga though that she could kill hisoka
Nobunaga: 137,5 tons comparable to machi, possibly stronger than phinks as killua was more scared of him than phinks and nobunaga though he could take phinks down
Franklin: 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, though he could kill hisoka
Shizuku: 0026 tons lost an arm wrestle to yorknew gon homever she was not using her dominant arm 137,5 tons with blink, conjurers can put can put more aura on their weapons than in their bodies one-shoted full power nobunaga with a surprise attack
Bonolenov : 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, 1,375 killotons with jupiter(though he could kill zarzam)
Netero( rusty, pre-invasion ) : 137,5 tons around half as strong as his prime, comparable to know and morel, and weaker than pouf
Mid tiers:
GI Gon: 13,75 tons his rock matched razor's full power, 137,5 tons with rock
GI: killua: 13,75 tons comparable to gon, 137,5 tons with ko
Rammot: 13,75 tons stronger than greedy island gon and killua
Genthru: 13,75 tons stronger than GI Gon, 27,5 tons with little flower ( the explosion uses twice as much aura as a punch ) ,
275 tons with countdown( 10 times stronger than little flower )
Low tiers:
Yorknew gon: 0,026 tons performed a feat on this level very early in greed island before getting any physical training
Yorknew killua: 0,026 tons comparable to gon
Pakunoda: 0,026 tons got damaged by yorknew gon and killua but still stronger than then
Kortopi: unknown, lacks physical feats
Shalnark: 0,026 tons comparable to pakunoda, was unsure on his ability to damage a peon chimera ant, far higher with autopilot one-shotted a peon chimera ant
Kalluto: 0,026 tons weaker than shalnark , but should be comparable to yorknew killua
Fodder/nenless tier:
All of the following scale above the the 174,9 killojoules three spliting feat performed by a random hunter candidate
BOS: Killua,kurapika,leorio,gon
Bro we all know 340 meters was too much. No the blast doesn't just change in size. It's depicted like this in the anime and manga. It's clearly just togashi not giving a f. 7B also is more consistent with the other characters and would be 600 times above the second strongest featWhy would we change the plateau size by scaling it to other plateaus instead of directly scaling it with the exact shots from the feat itself? Scaling the blast to Meruem doesn't work, as the blast seems to grow in size by a very significant amount as it reaches the Nen creature.
Togashi drew a panel comparing the blast to the Nen Creature, and we got a shot where we see the nen creature compared to Meruem earlier. It's almost the same chapter, so claiming inconsistency is nonsense.
We should absolutely use the method of comparison given by the feat itself, when the blast was at it's largest. These work-arounds because you feel like "354m is too sus" are not reliable at all.
I am not opposed to either of those. I do have some problems with the pixelscaling of Youpi's feat, but we can go over that in a different thread if necessary.So are we going to do a vaporization calc for the two now or are we oK with the 7C and 7A calcs for youpi and meruem?
Ok so are we moving on to speed now?I am not opposed to either of those. I do have some problems with the pixelscaling of Youpi's feat, but we can go over that in a different thread if necessary.
Yeah i think so, the pixelscaling can be talked on other threads, no need for we to go on that tangent nowOk so are we moving on to speed now?
"We all"? That's way too pretentious. You're having a conversation with one other person. Don't speak for everyone else.Bro we all know 340 meters was too much.
It is not, both the Anime and the Manga portray the blast being FAR bigger than it was at Meruem. Again, clamining inconsistency is absolute non sense, it's literally the same chapter. It would make the nen creature 0.07m tall, which is simply ridiculous considering the other portrays.No the blast doesn't just change in size. It's depicted like this in the anime and manga.
There's no consistency there, nor is there a need for consistency. Post Rose Meruem stands at the absolute top of the verse.It's clearly just togashi not giving a f. 7B also is more consistent with the other characters and would be 600 times above the second strongest feat.
We have some of them accepted, I'll be compiling them here in a sec.Anywhay charmander did an ungodly amount of speed feats , we need to double check their accuracy ( remember shadow saying he had a problem with some of them but i may be misremembering things ) and decide who scales to what