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Hunter x Hunter Overhaul (Scaling)

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Theendzero13 said:
By the way what do you think about the scaling i put above
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God/high tier seems fine. But I think an angry Youpi could potentially be stronger than its base? Putting that on his profile would be cool. By the way, couldn't Zeno and Netero get a "likely higher" because Pitou was excited to fight them? I didn't see the rest because I was too lazy to see.
 
Cauann2K said:
God/high tier seems fine. But I think an angry Youpi could potentially be stronger than its base? Putting that on his profile would be cool. By the way, couldn't Zeno and Netero get a "likely higher" because Pitou was excited to fight them? I didn't see the rest because I was too lazy to see.
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Don't think they can get a likely tbh, netero could not even damage pitou, he is also only about 2 times stronger than morel and knov while youpi and pitou are over 10 times, and zeno is weaker than chrollo and even weaker than netero
 
Theendzero13 said:
By the way what do you think about the scaling i put above
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I have a question. When and why was Ko accepted as a 10x multiplier?

Also, I still believe that Netero should downscale from the Royal Guard with the 100-Type Guanyin Bodhisattva. Sure, he failed to harm Pitou, but he still casually slapped a Pitou that was on full-guard and had her physical capabilities maximized several kilometers away. I don't think that would make much sense if he was significantly inferior with the 100-Type Guanyin Bodhisattva. I could more or less say the same about Meruem. He failed to damage him with it, but he still kept him at bay for a significant amount of time, and forced Meruem to use his intelligence to bypass it and deal direct damage to Netero's body.

With that being said, I agree with where you have Netero physically, and with pretty much everything else from what I can see.
 
ShadowWhoWalks said:
Ko, which is used for Gon's Jajanken, Uvogin's Big Bang Impact, and used once by Feitan to break his blade on transformed Zazan, is stated to concentrate 10x the amount of normal aura on the fist/sword:
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Furthermore, a character explicitly estimates that Gon's Jajanken is 10x more powerful than his normal punch:
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@UchihaSlayer96 ; Here
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
I have a question. When and why was Ko accepted as a 10x multiplier?

Also, I still believe that Netero should downscale from the Royal Guard with the 100-Type Guanyin Bodhisattva. Sure, he failed to harm Pitou, but he still casually slapped a Pitou that was on full-guard and had her physical capabilities maximized several kilometers away. I don't think that would make much sense if he was significantly inferior with the 100-Type Guanyin Bodhisattva. I could more or less say the same about Meruem. He failed to damage him with it, but he still kept him at bay for a significant amount of time, and forced Meruem to use his intelligence to bypass it and deal direct damage to Netero's body.

With that being said, I agree with where you have Netero physically, and with pretty much everything else from what I can see.
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Ko being a 10 times multiplier was accepted early on the thread because
A: ko uses 100% of a person aura ,while a regular punch only uses about 10%, gon's rock is only ko with extra steps and that one is at least a 10 times multiplier because of a non fully charged janken is stated to be 10 times gon's punch, the jajanken being just a ko punch but with extra steps

Netero downscaling from the royal guards causes scaling issues because pouf is comparable to 50% netero and morel , but pitou and youpi are over 10 times stronger than morel , so it cannot work unless we say that the bodhisattva scale above netero's regular stats, everyhing netero did to the royals can fall under LS and the royals being implied to be able to damage meruem something netero could not do with thousand of attacks does not help
 
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Theendzero13 said:
Don't think they can get a likely tbh, netero could not even damage pitou, he is also only about 2 times stronger than morel and knov while youpi and pitou are over 10 times, and zeno is weaker than chrollo and even weaker than netero
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Well, at least Netero was able to get her off the battlefield. It's not necessarily for Netero and Zeno escalate to Pitou, but to be potentially far stronger than the other characters in Chimera Ants - except for Youpi, Pitou and Meruem - due to her getting excited for them.
 
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UchihaSlayer96 said:
Also, I still believe that Netero should downscale from the Royal Guard with the 100-Type Guanyin Bodhisattva. Sure, he failed to harm Pitou, but he still casually slapped a Pitou that was on full-guard and had her physical capabilities maximized several kilometers away. I don't think that would make much sense if he was significantly inferior with the 100-Type Guanyin Bodhisattva. I could more or less say the same about Meruem. He failed to damage him with it, but he still kept him at bay for a significant amount of time, and forced Meruem to use his intelligence to bypass it and deal direct damage to Netero's body.
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This also seems valid.
 
Theendzero13 said:
Ko being a 10 times multiplier was accepted early on the thread because
A: ko uses 100% of a person aura ,while a regular punch only uses about 10%, gon's rock is only ko with extra steps and that one is at least a 10 times multiplier because of a non fully charged janken is stated to be 10 times gon's punch, the jajanken being just a ko punch but with extra steps
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That's fine. Life_Of_King already showed me the scans. It's valid.
Theendzero13 said:
Netero downscaling from the royal guards causes scaling issues because pouf is comparable to 50% netero and morel , but pitou and youpi are over 10 times stronger than morel ,
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Wasn't the 50% thing about Pre-Training, rusty Netero?
Theendzero13 said:
so it cannot work unless we say that the bodhisattva scale above netero's regular stats,
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Yes, that is exactly what I'm proposing. I don't see why Netero's regular physical stats should scale to the 100-Type Guanyin Bodhisattva, anyway. So there won't be any scaling issues regardless.
Theendzero13 said:
everyhing netero did to the royals can fall under LS which does not help
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I'm not sure how slapping people away is LS, that's a classic example of SS if you ask me.
Also, the Guanyin Bodhisattva stopped the momentum of Meruem multiple times and sent him back, so its durability should scale at the very least. Again, he couldn't just go through it during their fight, and had to bypass it in order to deal direct physical damage to Netero's body.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
That's fine. Life_Of_King already showed me the scans. It's valid.

Wasn't the 50% thing about Pre-Training, rusty Netero?

Yes, that is exactly what I'm proposing. I don't see why Netero's regular physical stats should scale to the 100-Type Guanyin Bodhisattva, anyway. So there won't be any scaling issues regardless.

I'm not sure how slapping people away is LS, that's a classic example of SS if you ask me.
Also, the Guanyin Bodhisattva stopped the momentum of Meruem multiple times and sent him back, so its durability should scale at the very least. Again, he couldn't just go through it during their fight, and had to bypass it in order to deal direct physical damage to Netero's body.
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Ok, i agree that, so netero profile would look like:

137,5(rusty), 275(prime/invasion),1 killoton with bodhisattva, 3,7 killotons with zero hand(following life of king calc)
 
Theendzero13 said:
I will be using databook stats as supporting evidence since those have little to no contradictions


God tiers:
Those are proxies until we find better feats for them

Meruem: 3,7 killotons, far above pitou and youpi, can overpower them with casual attacks, only took small damage from zero hand

Youpi: 1,375 killotons, over 10 times the 137,5 tons characters

Pitou (base): 1,375 killotons stated to be the king top soldier by illumi and to have strenght second only to the king in side material

Adult gon: 3,7 killoton, easely defeated and overpowered base pitou with a nenless kick, pitou was afraid he would go after the king, his binding vow has several similarities to netero's zero hand binding vow and likely has similar power , 37 killotons with rock

Netero(invasion/regained groove/ post training): 275 tons (should be stronger than uvo due to being an enhancer and having 5/5 databook stats) 1 killotons with bodhisattva (could not damage pitou and meruem , but still crashed and repelled them back, 3,7 with zero hand

(Puppet) pitou: 3,7 killotons far stronger than before, took many attacks from adult gon before being killed

High tiers:
- uvogin: 275 tons, performed a 55 tons feat while at 20% , chrollo though it was impossible to defeat him with raw power and is physically the strongest of the troupe, 2,75 killotons with big bang impact

-kurapika (with emperor time) : 137,5 tons matched uvo who was using 50% of his power, 1,375 killotons with ko

-chrollo: 137,5 tons hisoka is more interested in fighting him than fighting any other troupe member or kurapika , called the strongest member of the troupe in side material, has 4 and 4 stats for nen and body in the databooks while kurapika has 3 and 4

- hisoka: 137,5 tons physically stronger than chrollo

-zeno: 137,5 tons matched chrollo

- silva: 137,5 tons matched chrollo, one-shotted the squadron leader cheetu

- razor: 137,5 tons stronger than hisoka physically

-base Kurapika: 91,67 tons around 40% weaker than when emperor time is active 916,7 tons with ko

-Pouf: 137,5 tons the weakest royal guard, could not one-shot members of the invasion team like his collegues, homever as a royal and having
5/5 nen and body stats in the databooks he should be above the likes of hisoka and chrollo who only have 4/4 stats, stronger than morel,knov and pre-invasion netero

-Kite: 137,5 tons even with one arm gave small bruises to a newborn pitou who is called the strongest opponent gon and killua ever fought putting it(pitou) above razor,hisoka and chrollo, gave trouble to knuckle and shoot combined even as a reanimated corpse

CA Killua: 137,5 tons took little to no damage from ikalgo's bullets who can do heavy damage to royal guard trained squadron leaders like welfin who should be comparable to base zarzam, easely took down multiple jets and tanks while fatigued, brovada another squadron leader needed multiple attacks and strugled to take one tank down, one shotted rammot an officer ant, defeated leol's squad composed of 4+ officers and multiple peons without using his yo-yos and only briefily using his nen ability , despite the squad using strategy to gain an edge, has 4/4 databook stats, 1,375 killotons with ko

CA Gon : 137,5 tons comparable to killua, defeated 3 chimera officers despite getting multiple hits from them he did not suffer any serious damage at all and retaliated with one-shots, 1,375 killotons with rock

Morel: 137,5 tons comparable to killua, can beat squadron leaders without much trouble

Shoot: 137,5 tons comparable to killua

Knucke: 137,5 tons comparable to killua

Knov: 137,5 tons comparable to morel

Illumi: 137,5 tons comparable to hisoka and likely above killua

Phinks: 137,5 tons a little above feitan and comparable to hisoka, up to 1,375 killotons with ripper cycloton( thought he could beat zarzam )

Feitan: 137,5 tons pain packer ignores durability via heat, 1,375 killotons with ko

Zazam (base) : 137,5 tons matched feitan

Transformed zazam: 137,5, tons with at least 1,375 killotons in durability, tanked feitan ko attack but could not seriously harm him with multiple attacks

Machi: 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga though that she could kill hisoka

Nobunaga: 137,5 tons comparable to machi, possibly stronger than phinks as killua was more scared of him than phinks and nobunaga though he could take phinks down

Franklin: 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, though he could kill hisoka

Shizuku: 0026 tons lost an arm wrestle to yorknew gon homever she was not using her dominant arm 137,5 tons with blink, conjurers can put can put more aura on their weapons than in their bodies one-shoted full power nobunaga with a surprise attack

Bonolenov : 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, 1,375 killotons with jupiter(though he could kill zarzam)

Netero( rusty, pre-invasion ) : 137,5 tons around half as strong as his prime, comparable to know and morel, and weaker than pouf

Mid tiers:

GI Gon: 13,75 tons his rock matched razor's full power, 137,5 tons with rock

GI: killua: 13,75 tons comparable to gon, 137,5 tons with ko

Rammot: 13,75 tons stronger than greedy island gon and killua

Genthru: 13,75 tons stronger than GI Gon, 27,50 tons with little flower ( the explosion uses twice as much aura as a punch ) ,
275 tons with countdown( 10 times stronger than little flower )


Low tiers:

Yorknew gon: 0,026 tons performed a feat on this level very early in greed island before getting any physical training

Yorknew killua: 0,026 tons comparable to gon

Pakunoda: 0,026 tons got damaged by yorknew gon and killua but still stronger than then

Kortopi: unknown, lacks physical feats

Shalnark: 0,026 tons comparable to pakunoda, was unsure on his ability to damage a peon chimera ant, far higher with autopilot one-shotted a peon chimera ant

Kalluto: 0,026 tons weaker than shalnark , but should be comparable to yorknew killua


So basically the scaling goes from 9-A from the fodders up to 7-C with gon's strongest attack, but the god tiers scaling is bound to change
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Youpi's Rage Blast (Vaporization)
This is all the evidence for Vaporization on Youpi's feat.

It's clear that everything inside the crater was vaporized (or a good majority), while everything outside it wasn't. Since the calculation only takes the crater into account, it should use Vaporization.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Youpi's Rage Blast (Vaporization)
This is all the evidence for Vaporization on Youpi's feat.

It's clear that everything inside the crater was vaporized (or a good majority), while everything outside it wasn't. Since the calculation only takes the crater into account, it should use Vaporization.
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This all seems pretty compelling to me personally. I'm more in favor of using vaporization now.
 
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