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Oh well, just wanted to revive this thread and also remind everyone that the verse needs to be revised? context
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Oh well, just wanted to revive this thread and also remind everyone that the verse needs to be revised? context
Yes, I agree. I will add it to the previous comment to remember that.At least and likely higher for their 4-B should be removed tbh, as their justification don't indicate anything that they should have such a thing.
Ai-Chan is the real god of Honkek, after all?I've played some of the AI Hyperion quests thing. Got some pretty interesting stuff here. AI Hyperion apparently sees the entire world of Honkai Impact as fictional, which if transcendence is legit here, would make her baseline 1-B level, which is ******* wild.
But I'd have to finish the entire storyline before saying anything more. At the very least, she has scaling to 4-B via being able to fight HoT Raiden Mei.
The idea of her being above the will of Honkai is funny.Ai-Chan is the real god of Honkek, after all?
I'm pretty sure Ai isn't meant to be interpreted as 1B but is rather essentially a dev of the game she and her fellow allies created. Unless Bronya is also 1B for perceiving the Arahato game she created as fiction, or IRL Mihoyo employees - and regular players like us - are 1B for knowing HI3 is just a game.I've played some of the AI Hyperion quests thing. Got some pretty interesting stuff here. AI Hyperion apparently sees the entire world of Honkai Impact as fictional, which if transcendence is legit here, would make her baseline 1-B level, which is ******* wild.
But I'd have to finish the entire storyline before saying anything more. At the very least, she has scaling to 4-B via being able to fight HoT Raiden Mei.
Ah, I remember requesting a calc for the Templar building slam. A shame I only found this now.The Fodder Tier like the weaker Honkai Beasts, Zombies, Mechas and Quantum Shadows should scale to this feat. Might not be that important, but I think a page for the Quantum Shadow is necessary one day or another considering that Honkai Energy being able to interact with AE Type 1 comes from them, so to have a reference it would be better to have a page for them too. The only ones that scales would be the ones that I said earlier.
Keep in mind that Wendy's gem can at best vaporize multiple cities only when it goes off. It's like Welt detonating his gem to create a supernova. Wendy's normal attacks aren't anywhere near as strong.For the Low Tier, I guess Low 6-B is alright based on this calculation, so that can stay as it is. The ones that scales are everyone that scales to Wendy or above her, so everyone that is already this Tier basically. Also, the stronger Honkai Beasts, Zombies, Mechas and Quantum Shadows should also scale to this value, especially the Emperor Class Beasts.
I can see the fodder enemies scaling to "At least 9-B, 8-C for the stronger ones, at most (whatever Tier we choose for the Low Tiers)". The Emperor Class would scale at least to 8-C considering they should be stronger than that Templar Class, while those that are able to fight with the characters that have a set rating would scale to that.Ah, I remember requesting a calc for the Templar building slam. A shame I only found this now.
The thing is, the particular Templar that appeared in Escape from Nagazora is absurdly powerful even by the standards of Honkai beasts. It's also several times larger than all other Templars that showed up afterwards. Templars in Will of the Herrscher, the Amazing Grace animation, and so on are much smaller and weaker. Lastly, only A-ranks can defeat them (presumably the smaller ones) solo; B-ranks must fight them in squads. No fodder beast or zombie scales to the EFN Templar or even regular Templars.
All fodder Honkai beasts (by fodder, I refer to those below Templars, such as chariots, knights, and angels) should be 9-B because they're bulletproof and anti-tank weapons are required (and able) to defeat them. A typical anti-tank weapon is the RPG, which is 9-B. This also serves as additional evidence that fodder Honkai beasts should not scale to the Templar's building feat.
Emperor-classes should be at least 9-A from them tanking multiple tank shells with their AP scaling from the Templar's 8-C, which it does because Ganesha, an Emperor-class, killed 2 A-ranks and wounded a dozen other valkyries of unspecified rank. A single A-rank probably wouldn't be able to solo the elite EFN Templar like they could a regular one, which puts Emperors around the same tier as it.
As for fodder beasts' AP, it's known that the Knight-class can leave a "giant hole" in most AE mechs, the same mechs that are presumably at least as durable as the Honkai beasts they're designed to defeat. One mech even tanked multiple Neko Charm kicks in Meteoric Salvation, the same kicks that can flip a 10 or 20 ton fighter jet, although I'm not sure if that particular mech should be used for scaling.
The calculation they scale at the moment is the one that calculates the total enegetic output of the Gem based on the Selene. Considering that it's power comes from 4 Gems, the result was divided by four to get the output of a singular Gem.Keep in mind that Wendy's gem can at best vaporize multiple cities only when it goes off. It's like Welt detonating his gem to create a supernova. Wendy's normal attacks aren't anywhere near as strong.
I made this exactly to have some feedback, so thank you for sharing your opinion. The input of anyone even slightly knowlogeable with the verse would be much appreciated, regardless of the input agreeing or disagreeing with the proposal.Otto is a mistake, there i said it
Lmao no no no, those comment didn't mean directly toward your proposalI made this exactly to have some feedback, so thank you for sharing your opinion. The input of anyone even slightly knowlogeable with the verse would be much appreciated, regardless of the input agreeing or disagreeing with the proposal.
Oh, sorry, I thought you disagreed with the rating for False God Otto! lolLmao no no no, those comment didn't mean directly toward your proposal
It just.....Otto presence has divided Honkai fandom to the extent to either symphatict to him or full hate him
The Low 6-B rating comes from this calculation of the Selene for the destruction of Soukai City in the beginning. The calculation basically calculates how much energy the destruction would require, and from that it divides the value by the 4 Gems required to power the Selene to find the energetic output of the singular Gems.Still reading through the upgrades, but where does Low 6-B come from again?
Also isn't Sirin's Class E feat done through TK? I don't see why her physical stats should scale to it.
The majority of the scans for the Bubble Universe stuff is in this old revision. It's from a time in which the Bubble Universe was considered High 1-C, so the revision itself shouldn't be considered anymore, but the scans are still usable.Also bubble universe scans would be very much appreciated. I kinda need to see how big they are in order to give a proper judgement. the rest of everything else seem fine tho.
Also the 3-A feat seems like blatant Low 2-C to me, since it is affecting space-time.
I think it's more black hole resistance.Also, regarding LS, how do we treat surviving inside a Black Hole for a bit? Is it incalculable?
I'm pretty sure that's still Tier 2, but you maybe asking someone more knowledgeable on the tiering system might help.For the Low 2-C value, doesn't a character need to affect the entirety of a timeline to be considered Low 2-C? I am not that knowlogeable about our Tier 2 standards, I am unironically more versed in Tier 1 stuff.
But basically, Otto would have erased only 500 years, not everything, so would that still be considered Tier 2?
Are there any scans for the being a supposed galaxy? It looks like just 4-A from what I'm gathering.The majority of the scans for the Bubble Universe stuff is in this old revision. It's from a time in which the Bubble Universe was considered High 1-C, so the revision itself shouldn't be considered anymore, but the scans are still usable.
Thanks, I always wondered what would that be.I think it's more black hole resistance.
Then I will try to give a look to out standards and ask around to see which rating that would be.I'm pretty sure that's still Tier 2, but you maybe asking someone more knowledgeable on the tiering system might help.
I remember someone saying that in one scene there was something that looked like a galaxy, but I still need to find the scan for that. Until more indications about the size of the Bubble Universe are discovered it's better to assume that it's just 4-A, at this point.Are there any scans for the being a supposed galaxy? It looks like just 4-A from what I'm gathering.
Really? Then I think that all of them as they are currently would scale to whatever value Kiana would scale. Maybe a specific key for Mei and Bronya for the most recent arc would be reasonable.Also in the finality. Herrscher of Sentience fought Kevin in his winged dragon form, as well as Kiana, Mei and Bronya. Though Kevin was apparently holding back against all of them. I do think Mei and Bronya's new form was meant to be shown as comparable to Kiana in that fight.
I think HoT Mei actually gets stronger over time in her time during the Elysian realm. Bronya got a fancy new Herrscher upgrade so there's that.Really? Then I think that all of them as they are currently would scale to whatever value Kiana would scale. Maybe a specific key for Mei and Bronya for the most recent arc would be reasonable.
He was jobbing so hard that it isn't even funny given how Bronya was literally in her base form, or Drive Kometa, and wasn't oneshot or even seriously injured when he did hit her with his new sword. I cannot express how many orders of magnitude of difference there are between base Bronya and Demonic Kevin, and I hope no one interprets the scene as Bronya not even in her Herrscher form being able to compete against Kevin.Also in the finality. Herrscher of Sentience fought Kevin in his winged dragon form, as well as Kiana, Mei and Bronya. Though Kevin was apparently holding back against all of them. I do think Mei and Bronya's new form was meant to be shown as comparable to Kiana in that fight.
I agree. Thinking about it, it would be strange for Bronya and Mei to scale so much lower than HoF Kiana, so a new key for the most recent arc seems like the best solution.I think HoT Mei actually gets stronger over time in her time during the Elysian realm. Bronya got a fancy new Herrscher upgrade so there's that.
To which rating you would scale them based on the current informations?Whatever tier False God Otto is, Flamescion Kiana and Bianka would scale somewhat below it seeing how they managed to overpower him together and force him out of that state. But this poses a problem, because Kiana and Bianka cannot be anywhere near universe level.
Kiana simply abused her affilation with void power to switch the concept of "infinite" and "finite" in the Imaginary Space, didn't she?I agree. Thinking about it, it would be strange for Bronya and Mei to scale so much lower than HoF Kiana, so a new key for the most recent arc seems like the best solution.
To which rating you would scale them based on the current informations?
There are no hard feats that can place them at any exact number or tier, so "stronger than HOV" and "stronger than BKE" will need to suffice. I find it difficult to believe that they jumped from solar system (I still have my reservations about this, not that I'll bring them up) to universe level just like that. More importantly, I think it's better to scale False God to them rather than the other way around because he wasn't portrayed as being vastly stronger than either of them (if he were, neither would be able to harm him at all, combined or not) and his lack of feats. Lastly, his universe creation feat is almost certainly not combat applicable. It required highly specific circumstances, and said circumstances don't give the impression that Otto could repurpose his power offensively.To which rating you would scale them based on the current informations?
They forced him out of the False God form via brute force. Then there was the section where he was staggering around in his base form, endlessly regenerating until Kiana used her void powers on him.Kiana simply abused her affilation with void power to switch the concept of "infinite" and "finite" in the Imaginary Space, didn't she?
I think that make sense. AFAIK, Otto needed prep in order to do the whole erase the present feat. If that's the case, they should just stay at 4-A via Durandal's bubble universe statement.There are no hard feats that can place them at any exact number or tier, so "stronger than HOV" and "stronger than BKE" will need to suffice. I find it difficult to believe that they jumped from solar system (I still have my reservations about this, not that I'll bring them up) to universe level just like that. More importantly, I think it's better to scale False God to them rather than the other way around because he wasn't portrayed as being vastly stronger than either of them (if he were, neither would be able to harm him at all, combined or not) and his lack of feats. Lastly, his universe creation feat is almost certainly not combat applicable. It required highly specific circumstances, and said circumstances don't give the impression that Otto could repurpose his power offensively.
Seriously, the gameplay for almost all the Himeko's battlesuit sucks, her attack speed is too slow for a fast-paced game like Honkai. And then there is Vermillion Knight where she becomes the speed of light in comparison to the other ones. Honestly, she is kinda out of meta by now considering a lot of stronger battlesuits came out since then, but I still love to use her when I have the chance. She is really fun to use compared to the other Himeko's battlesuits.Going from normal Himeko to Vermillion knight Himeko is insane.
Like normal Himeko feels like she has a swinging speed of like, 2 mph, and then you transition to vermillion knight Himeko, and the sheer speed she has over normal himeko is astonishing lmao.
He didn't consult anyone on this? That is way too extreme jesus...Well, apparently Solacis requested the deletion of all the pages for Honkai Impact, so now it will be basically impossible to fix anything considering I wont have the time to recreate the pages from nothing...
They didn't even ask any supporter, they just delete them...
Well, a lot of work for nothing, apparently.
Edit: if everything goes well, Dereck03 should be able to give the codes of the previously deleted pages so that I ca put them in a sandbox. I will do when I have a bit of time considering that now I have to go to sleep. So not everything is lost, fortunately.
Yeah, he just asked for the deletion without even asking other users. Definitely not how it should be done. Seriously, Honkai Impact might have one of the most chaotic histories in this wiki, at this point.He didn't consult anyone on this? That is way too extreme jesus...
Yeah, I just saw that... I seriously don't even know what is going on. I think I will just go to bed at this point, hoping that when I wake up the situation wont be even worst.Wait, this man added his own revised version of Kiana's page without consulting anyone or without putting a CRT.
If it wasn't for the holidays, I think I might've folded him because that is not how you do things.
Nah, i feel like the situation has been controlled so you don't to be worried aboutYeah, I just saw that... I seriously don't even know what is going on. I think I will just go to bed at this point, hoping that when I wake up the situation wont be even worst.