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Not to mention that Katakuri foresaw Big Father attacking Big mom (Big father is an inanimate object) and foresaw a cake "falling", mind you cakes doesn't have a soul and are fundamentally inanimate objects.
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High 7-A Tournament Round 1, Match 4 (Metagross VS Sanji)
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Kenbunshoku haki could care less if you are alive, animal, monster, invisible, inanimate object, zombie, Stone, Golem, etc etc. You are still getting sensed by people who possess Kenbunshoku haki, especially by those with Advanced Kenbunshoku Haki.
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So, when you said: "By monsters, invisible beings and "Sillhoutes", Rayleigh refers to any being that's living on One piece, otherwise he would've told Luffy that there exist things he cannot sense. For example "invisible beings"."
....Which of those many meanings did you mean?
Why should he tell everything to Luffy, a headstrong young up-start, who, like many others, seeks to conquer the Grand Line?
& are you saying those "invisible" beings are confirmed as having no Souls?
But ARE there Soulless beings Rayleigh could have reasonably encountered in his travels through the Grand Line?
I don't think that we can just assume something unprecedented simply exists & was encountered, without evidence.
& if Haki can detect Soulless beings is something accepted, where was it accepted, under what evidence, & why is there no mention of the word "Soul" in the Haki page?
Ah, this text, right?: "Other users can also perform active precognition--seeing events transpiring at least several seconds before they occur."
Hadn't noticed it earlier my mistake.
Also, I have not gotten through Whole Cake Arc. I am not even through Dressrosa.
If a Pacifista is part human, a Pacifista is still partially organic, & presumably, has life force, doesn't it? I vaguely remember something about Bartholomew Kuma's influence gradually fading from one, but....
I'd assume Big Father is an animated inanimate object via Devil Fruit powers, based on what I remember reading. Thank you for the cake example, however.
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No, they are entirely robotic who have their design based on Kuma
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If they are entirely robotic, why did you say "a cyborg/human weapon"??
Am I mistaken, or didn't she animate things like clouds?
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Almost anything is possible in the Grandline, especially if DF users are involved and other things. Considering that DFs are consistently portrayed as being "natural phenomenon", we don't have any reason not to believe that Perona's ghosts aren't real ghosts (except you can see them) but are proven to be Intangible. Since the negative hollow (horror? Or hollow) and those doesn't seem to have a soul.
Or the fact that a crazy M.A.D Scientist is capable of making inanimate objects eat a DF, thus an object gains the power of a DF. Apparently the Mad scientist has advanced technologies from the future (if I recall correctly Corby said 400 years or 500 years, I'll send the scan if you want), subsequently mass produced the Pacifistas. Only Kuma is a cyborg, while the other PX series are based on him, the PX series are robots without a soul, they only serve to hunt down pirates and replace the Shichibukai.
To Rayleigh, nothing is new anything, he and Roger are the only ones who know about the secret of the "World", which strongly implies they know about what happened 700 years ago and literally conquered all islands (Rayleigh wasn't surprised at Brook's appearance).
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Many would consider a ghost itself a soul. I think that whether or not Rayleigh encountered Perona's DF himself is debatable, I'd say. Aren't DF supposed to be unique?
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Not technically. DF users are ultimately "vessels". If the vessel dies, the DF teleports elsewhere (randomly), somewhere in a country or island.
In other words, if you are the user of the Gomu Gomu no mi, and dies at an accident or gets killed by a Magma guy with anger management issues. Someone who's incredibly lucky finds the Gomu Gomu no mi by chance and becomes the new user of the Gomu Gomu no mi.
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That wording ("the Gomu Gumu no mi", for one.) still sounds like it's implying there's only one Gomu Gumu no Mi fruit, it just reappears after the current user dies.
My concern is with animating clouds. Many could readily believing animals have souls.
Clouds are often just bodies of moisture.
If her DF ability requires something have a pre-existing soul to be affected, that would imply clouds in One Piece have souls, no?
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Yep. There exist only one Gomu Gomu no mi, just like every DF as well. If you dies and you are presumably a DF user, the fruit reappears somewhere in the world (completely uneaten tho)
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I'd sure hope it doesn't reappear partially eaten, lol.
But given there is usually only 1 Devil Fruit of each kind, & given how out of the way & impractical Thriller Bark is, I'd be a little surprised if Rayleigh encountered Perona's DF, especially while she was still the user of it.
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Nah. Perona wasn't born when Roger was still a rookie, it's not strange to assume that they met the previous user of Perona's DF. Similarly how they met the previous user of Bartolomeo's DF and Mr.2's DF, as well as many others too. I think the fact that she obtained the fruit means the previous user of her fruit died.
After all, the possibility is still there. Since there isn't a single island left that the Roger's pirates didn't conquered (stealing gold, playing pranks and bullying the gold ol' whitebeard).
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Her ability doesn't require the body to have a pre-existing soul, it actually adds the soul to an inanimated body to animate it. The belief that animals have souls is relative, and metaphysical concepts can have various functions within their own verses than we are generally used to (The "Shadow" in One Piece works as a second soul for example).
But forget it, it's just said that she can't add souls into human beings (Ch 835), and not in all bodies that have souls (Assuming animals have one).
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If you say so. Might be a bit NLF to assume they found/met users of all the fruits, or that even all the fruits had users at the time.
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I think grace has finished
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So we move on now?
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Yeah
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Alright then. Match 5!: https://vsbattles.com/threads/high-7-a-tournament-round-1-match-5-akuma-vs-reigen-arataka.122912/
And yet again, don't forget Match 1.: https://vsbattles.com/threads/high-7-a-tournament-round-1-match-1-neinhart-vs-m-bison.122264/
And yet again, don't forget Match 1.: https://vsbattles.com/threads/high-7-a-tournament-round-1-match-1-neinhart-vs-m-bison.122264/
