Helios strikes back: Hades shines without limit (God of War)

[Cyberblader90]

This feat was previously discussed but kinda went no where, so we return to it years later.

Helios lights up all of the underworld. Pretty basic, but it requires a size of the underworld to mean anything.

Currently, we accept it as infinite in size:
Helios (God of War) | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:WindGodAcheron/God_of_War:_Explaining_the_Tiers

posts from the original crt incase, which include other supporting feats (also detailed in the blog above):
God of War: Greek Pantheon Revisions | Page 2 | VS Battles Wiki Forum
God of War: Greek Pantheon Revisions | Page 2 | VS Battles Wiki Forum
God of War: Greek Pantheon Revisions | Page 2 | VS Battles Wiki Forum

But just incase a refresher for its size:

Stated both official art and dev member that hell has an infinite distance.

Stated to be a chasm of immeasurable magnitude.

Stated to be a "limitless" domain.

Cory Balrog confirming The dev's prior statement regarding the underworld is intended.

The gow devs used the same night-sky stellar skybox to illustrate the Ares battle as they did on the Underworld, which further clarifies what the intent was with the image of the Underworld containing stars in the background.

Conclusion

Helios lights crosses an infinite distance, and as such should be labelled as infinite speed (for the light). The feat is already mentioned on the speed section of Helios page and should be adjusted accordingly. Though, possibly/likely would also be fine.

Edit: It has come to my attention that while Helios' page lists this as an accepted ap feat, it is not labeled as it should be. It should be listed as high 3-a, for illuminating an infinite space.

 

[EFÍTÉ]

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[Theglassman12]

The feat looks ok to me, should scale to reaction speed for any of the god tiers in 3 considering a good chunk of them react to the light.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

The feat looks ok to me, should scale to reaction speed for any of the god tiers in 3 considering a good chunk of them react to the light.

Agreed.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

Agree. We already use this feat for AP on his profile, I see no issue with a likely rating returning around reaction only.

 

[Mister6ame6]

Agree with this too.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

I agree with this, bout time Krinkos got infinite speed

 

[AkhilPDX]

Cyber, what have you done? Well, it's a valid explanation either way lol. I agree.

 

[Migue79]

Cyber, you are somehow an even bigger madlad than XSOULOFCINDERX.

I agree with this. Always did.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Cyber, you are somehow an even bigger madlad than XSOULOFCINDERX.

I agree with this. Always did.

Probably because he's actually getting shit done, unlike me with my VS Threads that no one seems to want to finish.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Probably because he's actually getting shit done, unlike me with my VS Threads that no one seems to want to finish.

Every thread he has made goes smoothly for some reason, like, he used a lot luck he will never have to end stuff so quickly

 

[Galens]

I am neutral for now, but with what I see in the statements things could go well

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

You know me.....you know where my heart is at....

 

[Cyberblader90]

Bump

 

[ShrekAnakin]

Following

 

[Bobsican]

This looks fine from a glance

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

This feat is also High 3-A. Illuminating something infinite needs infinite energy

I agree

 

[Mozzada]

I agree

 

[Cyberblader90]

The feat is already accepted as high 3A on Helios's page

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

He is 3-A on profile

 

[Cyberblader90]

... you are right, though it is mentioned in his AP justifications

 

[Theglassman12]

So it should be an AP upgrade too

 

[Migue79]

Oh, dang. How was that missed?

 

[Cyberblader90]

i thought it was already on his tbh. His page literally has it as ap justification

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I think the site considers the underworld to be finite

 

[Cyberblader90]

thats weird. It was accepted as infinite, is so on the ap blog, and is stated as infinite on his page

 

[Cyberblader90]

welp time to edit the op and add this

 

[SagaTheLegend]

From a logical standpoint, I disagree completely with Infinite Speed God of War, it doesn't make any sense in the series itself and you don't need to be an expert to know that.

But since the wikia's standards are low and characters get infinite/immeasurable for less legit reasons than this (in this case at least there are statements of the distance being infinite) GoW shouldn't be treated differently so I agree with the infinite speed and High 3A Upgrades.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Wtf...

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

From a logical standpoint, I disagree completely with Infinite Speed God of War, it doesn't make any sense in the series itself and you don't need to be an expert to know that.

Fair enough. This can be applied to any verse ever, and was actually the reason it got removed in the first place, despite the blatant feat.

 

[Elizhaa]

High 3-A and straight infinite speed seem fine for Helios and those who powerscaled to him and upscaled from him.

 

[Theglassman12]

Saying that it doesn't make sense and not elaborating on how it does not make sense isn't gonna convince people dude.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

... you are right, though it is mentioned in his AP justifications

So, nuking 3-A completely?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

From "At least 3-A" to "At least High 3-A" basically

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

From "At least 3-A" to "At least High 3-A" basically

Pretty much

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Funnily enough, I actually saw this while watching a God of War channel about lore and theories and such. To think this would actually get brought up as an actual thread lol.

In any case, this seems right given the concept behind the nature and size of the Underworld along with official descriptions/statements of it.

And yeah as Glass noted, this is actually written down on Helio's page currently. Though he's rated as "at least 3-A, likely Low 2-C to 2-C" with this here:

"At least Universe level, likely Universe level+ to Low Multiverse level (He is capable of defeating and forcing the Primordial Nyx to retreat from the night-skies every day. His Power of the Sun illuminated and covered the entirety of an infinite plane as a mere after-effect of being wielded by the Titan Atlas. His powers were able to cause severe damage to and destroy the Pillar of the World, which held up the entire universe for eons and would destroy all of creation and all of existence were it to fall down, as well as cause the world to revert into Chaos, the primeval realm that preceded both space and time)"

-So the at least 3-A would change to High 3-A here.

As for speed, who scales from this again? The video I watch that talked about this had Hermes react to this whenever Kratos/Player tries to use Helios light on him.

 

[Cyberblader90]

at least:
hermes, kratos and zeus

 

[Cyberblader90]

i contacted another mod for input

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I found the video I mentioned about. Great channel for watching/reading some GoW content on lore and stuff.

It's at the 3:30 mark where Hermes was made to intend to react and dodge Helio's light even if you use it close up to him. So the Hermes part here checks out.

 

[Cyberblader90]

jon ford

yo, i used to be in his server