Hax Layer Evaluation Thread

[Theglassman12]

No, that’s just fire being hotter than normal unless there’s some supernatural element to it that’s not just it being hotter than the weaker ones.

 

[Da3ggman]

No, that’s just fire being hotter than normal unless there’s some supernatural element to it that’s not just it being hotter than the weaker ones.

I see. Would something like, say, being magical fire that burns a target forever vs just...regular fire qualify?

 

[Pedonar]

This guy has resistance to biological manipulation. He was fighting his clone, which is literally his own cell. Basically, his cells have a condition where they become independent when they leave his body. Usually, the cells that leave are limited in power, making them easy to control. However, one of the cells evolved to the point where it went out of the MC's control and became equal to him, with the same abilities and transformations (up to the 2nd version of his human form).

To defeat his clone, the MC needed a powerful form beyond the capabilities of the clone. This form is his 5th or unknown form (that's the name for now).

In this form, he was able to manipulate the clone's cells, which had the same resistance.

So, this should be counted as 1 layer of biological manipulation for his unknown form only.

Incase you need more reasons for his resistance, Here are some feats:

His clone can instantly kill the target with a similar ability to Hakai, but it works on a cellular level, directly breaking others’ bodies into small particles by using his energy attacks.

More scans show similar feats, but here it becomes thought-based.

(The zombie form of the mc focuses on their physical and energy-based attacks, while the human form is an evolved version of his zombie form, allowing him to use any of the abilities without direct contact, basically telekinesis or thought-based attacks.)

The mc could fight with him equally and resist all of the attacks, and the same goes for the clone, at least until his unknown transformation.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

1: Neutral vision
Users of this transformation called Blooming are capable of perceiving invisible ink. Granting them Neutral vision, aka the ability to see invisible things (Baseline)
Users of Profuse Blooming can read invisible ink which normal Blooming is incapable of reading (1 Layer)

2: Corrosion Inducement
This guy's flames cause corrosion, making them rot and crumble apart (Baseline)
But when this other guy called Shinzo is using his Blooming he can punch these decaying flames without issue (Baseline resistance)
When the guy with corrosion, amps and condenses his flames into a blade he claims can bypass Shinzo's resistance, but Shinzo's True Spring Blooming can withstand said decaying flames (1 Layer)

3: Paralysis Inducement
This guy Kyoichiro is immune to basically all poisons, many of them induce paralysis. Such as these needles which are potent enough to paralyze this guy with poison resistance. Only Blight Spider toxin works on him, and it at best numbs his finger for a brief time. (Baseline)
This kid Nanao, has a blooming that lets him shoot out poison which could instantly stop Kyoichiro dead in his tracks if he was hit by it (1 Layer)

 

[Dragonite007]

I see. Would something like, say, being magical fire that burns a target forever vs just...regular fire qualify?

hmm??
Like fire burning fire?

 

[Theglassman12]

@Pedonar the resistance to biological manipulation is very lacking, the description on the page just sounds like shapeshifting at best and not him resisting bio hax, so that wouldn't really be a layer there. The stuff with the black particles looks more like deconstruction than bio hax since its reducing someone into black particles, so yeah not really seeing layered hax here.

@Jackof_noTrades068 that's not 1 layer of resistance to neutral vision, that's baseline. 1 layer is if his vision worked on something that can resist his neutral vision, also the second scan doesn't really tell me much in terms of seeing invisible ink there. Corrosion inducement and paralysis looks fine.

 

[Da3ggman]

hmm??
Like fire burning fire?

Nah. Like, the effects of the fire on an opponent.

 

[Pedonar]

@Pedonar the resistance to biological manipulation is very lacking, the description on the page just sounds like shapeshifting at best and not him resisting bio hax

The description on his profile is outdated

, so that wouldn't really be a layer there. The stuff with the black particles looks more like deconstruction than bio hax since its reducing someone into black particles, so yeah not really seeing layered hax here.

I mean Deconstruction is part of biological/matter manipulation

Also its not about deconstruction only, he can
Heal
Recreating bodies and manipulating their genes by turning them into zombies
Killing someone by taking off his genes

 

[Theglassman12]

Where does it say deconstruction is a part of biological manipulation? Also these doesn’t really tell me much on someone resisting the biological hax and he was able to hax them despite said resistance.

 

[Pedonar]

Where does it say deconstruction is a part of biological manipulation?

1. The power system in the series is related to genes.
2. Almost all of his attacks comes from the manipulation of his genes.

So, if he’s going to break down their bodies using something, it should be through their genes/body particles

Also these doesn’t really tell me much on someone resisting the biological hax and he was able to hax them despite said resistance.

If the mc can resist it, then the clone should have the same resistance because they are equal. So if the mc unknown form can kill the clone through biological manipulation, then that’s 1 layer of resistance.

 

[Theglassman12]

You’re using a very outdated and blatantly wrong explanation for resisting biological hax. Can you give the more updated version of why they’d resist bio hax in the first place?

 

[Pedonar]

You’re using a very outdated and blatantly wrong explanation for resisting biological hax. Can you give the more updated version of why they’d resist bio hax in the first place?

1. He has full control over his body, even down to the cellular level that can’t be seen even with magnification up to millions of times. With this control, he can change his appearance, including purifying his cells to transform into a human and then switch back to a zombie form.

2. Even when his cells are outside of his body, no one can manipulate them unless he allows it.

3. He can resist his clone’s attacks, which have the same abilities and transformations.

 

[Theglassman12]

1st point doesn’t tell me much on resistance.

2nd point where does it mention he resists bio hax?

 

[Pedonar]

1st point doesn’t tell me much on resistance.

It counts as resistance ; he was originally human but got turned into zombie

And by controlling his body he can revert the effect of any biological change like nothing happened

2nd point where does it mention he resists bio hax?

his cells cant be controlled/used unless if the mc himself allow it

Also if point 1&2 is not valid, 3 rd point should be enough for 1 layer