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Hax Layer Evaluation Thread

2 layer of Fate Manipulation for Tensura, and 1 layer for Shion Ability
Shion Cook Skill can overwrite natural phenomenon and laws (Volume 7, Chapter 6 Light Novel), the same way she can also overcome outcomes and results (Volume 8, Chapter 1 Light Novel)

Razul can also resist her Cook Skill but, her ability still works on Razul (Volume 11, Chapter 5 Light Novel)

Conclusion: 1 layer for Shion Ability including its Fate Manipulation. Ultimate Skill users resists this (Had been discussed before)

We are not done yet we also have Masayuki's Passive Fate Manipulation. His Skill, Chosen One manifested itself from Masayuki’s wish to become a hero. However, it was now ignoring his personal will, ferociously pushing Masayuki down the path to a hero, (Volume 9, Chapter 1 Light Novel)

There is also the fact that Masayuki Chosen Ones are special and exception among every other Unique Skills , and comparable to other Ultimate Skills (Volume 16, Chapter 2)

Conclusion: 2 Layers of Fate Manipulation For Masayuki and Rimuru Ultimate Skill passively nullifies these effects while Rimuru's people are unaffected by it probably because of Raphael firewall protection or help. However not all Ultimate Skill users resist these effects which should be downgraded and brought up later. (Manga, Chapter 115)
 
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Mizuki67 said:
her ability still works on Razul
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It is worth noting that the skill mentioned here is "Chaotic Fate" .
Mizuki67 said:
Conclusion: 2 Layers of Fate Manipulation For Masayuki(,) and Rimuru Ultimate Skill passively nullifies these effects while Rimuru's people are unaffected by it probably because of Raphael firewall protection or help. (Manga, Chapter 115)
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AS RAPHAEL TOLD ME, MY ULTIMATE SKILL PRETTY MUCH NULLIFIES ALMOST ANY SKILL LOWER IN LEVEL.

THIS EFFECT DIDN'T WORK ON ΜΕ, HOWEVER, NOR ANY OF MY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.
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Mizuki67 said:
There is also the fact that Masayuki Chosen Ones are special and exception among every other Unique Skills , and comparable to other Ultimate Skills (Volume 16, Chapter 2)
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It's a bit too hypothetical...
 
CodeCCLL said:
It is worth noting that the skill mentioned here is "Chaotic Fate" .
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Not a separate skiII, rather, it is just an art that combines the subskiIIs of her skiII - cook -
CodeCCLL said:
It's a bit too hypothetical...
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The scan makes it cIear that chosen one is an exception to the onIy UItimates can harm another UItimate, yet RaphaeI couId stiII nuIIify it, the onIy IogicaI concIusion here is that RaphaeI and/or Rimuru is a speciaI case. But since Rimuru is a speciaI case, not every UItimate skiII user wiII gain resistance, obviousIy
 
Mizuki67 said:
So ? I don't get your point
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According to the sentences "Razul, who is not affected by Cook Skill's fate manipulation, is affected by fate manipulation of a skill you later called "Shion's ability". I also say that this skill is "Chaotic Fate" in case there is a misunderstanding.
Mizuki67 said:
How do u explain the scan then
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Given that the part about Raphael protecting Diablo and other government officials is purely assumption, and given that there is no feat that Masayuki's Chosen One is above Shion's abilities, I think it is strictly hypothetical that he is above Chaotic Fate based solely on the statement that the Chosen One's Ultimate Skills are comparable.

It's also vague to me how comparable the Chosen One is to Ultimate Skills, given that Masayuki's Chosen One (Unique Skill) is inferior to Rimuru's Raphael (Ultimate Skill), and that government officials with unique skills like Diablo are not affected by the Chosen One, as the manga stated. We can therefore treat the, Chosen One" as a baseline fate manipulation, as we usually prefer to do on the wiki, with the wording being low-ball and government officials get baseline fate manipulation resistance.

Also, is the part about the government officials not being affected by the Chosen One included in the Light Novel? I can't remember. Maybe we should check this out.
 
CodeCCLL said:
According to the sentences "Razul, who is not affected by Cook Skill's fate manipulation, is affected by fate manipulation of a skill you later called "Shion's ability". I also say that this skill is "Chaotic Fate" in case there is a misunderstanding.
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Said abiIity itseIf was simpIy something formed by
CodeCCLL said:
Given that the part about Raphael protecting Diablo and other government officials is purely assumption, and given that there is no feat that Masayuki's Chosen One is above Shion's abilities, I think it is strictly hypothetical that he is above Chaotic Fate based solely on the statement that the Chosen One's Ultimate Skills are comparable.
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An assumption, but not one without a backing. The very fact that chosen one was not working on them proves enough that RaphaeI itseIf is an exception, since after aII, even in the case of Necrosis BuIIet, Rimuru said it wouIdnt work even tho VeIdora was worried because Rimuru has an impenetrable firewaII, that is, RaphaeI

So it wouIdnt be wrong to assume that the effect just extended to his subordintaes, aIIowing them to resist chosen one
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It's also vague to me how comparable the Chosen One is to Ultimate Skills, given that Masayuki's Chosen One (Unique Skill) is inferior to Rimuru's Raphael (Ultimate Skill), and that government officials with unique skills like Diablo are not affected by the Chosen One, as the manga stated. We can therefore treat the, Chosen One" as a baseline fate manipulation, as we usually prefer to do on the wiki, with the wording being low-ball and government officials get baseline fate manipulation resistance.

Also, is the part about the government officials not being affected by the Chosen One included in the Light Novel? I can't remember. Maybe we should check this out.
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The fact that Chosen one and UnIimited Imprisonment were aIone described as exceptions to the ruIe of UItimate skiII users, even whiIe Rimuru was aware of Shion's abiIity, speaks for itseIf
 
Kachon123 said:
Are we sure this isn't resistance negation?
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It doesn't make it so other Pokemon can poison Steel-types, so I'm confident that it isn't resistance negation. The description of the Corrosion ability is vague about it too: "The Pokémon can poison the target even if it's a Steel or Poison type."
 
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BLACK CLOVER P&A CRT: MANA (PART 1)

Lets look at how mages interact with mana, The relationship of mana to certain mages. Lets see what powers, abilities and resistances are granted as a result. Lastly we will upgrade a mage who has the closest connection to mana. HATED BY MANA (redacted) The only being hated by mana is Asta...
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Need a staff to evaluate thissss
 
2 pretty simple abilities here:
Creatures from the heavenly realm (gods) resist gourds absorption which can seal away people, power, and even memories (baseline resistance to absorption and power null).

Greed/Tam can absorb and nullify powers of those that touch it. (it literally sucks out the powers themselves not just energy). This is shown to work even on Gods. (1 layer)

Mujin can resist this despite being completely swallowed and chewed up. (1 layer resistance).

Yet Moris perfect circle can absorb and power null Mujin. (2 layers)

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Mujin can resist Qs existence erasure. (at least baseline resistance)

But Moris EE can still erase Mujin. (1 layer)
 
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Finally out of my hiatus, can catch up with this thread.

@Omazio2019 Yeah sorry but you're not making any sense here, I just see someone getting drop kicked and him being aware of the flow of time being warped, nothing about this establishes those with resistances being affected.

@Flashlight237 the Tak stuff with dreams doesn't really mention anything about resistance and layered hax, just dreams within dreams, which barely has anything to do with layered hax.

@ShionAH His powers returning wouldn't be a resistance, that just sounds like he slowly got them back as opposed to him resisting it again, so it's at best like 1 layer, the telekinesis stuff looks fine.

@Sasukesama0492 the scans seems a bit vague, but also Idk how it would be 10 layers without the established stuff being posted, though Godernet's post does contradict this being layered hax.

@SatellaTheWoE the shamac spell looks fine.

@Mizuki67 the cook stuff looks fine, the other fate stuff I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here beyond stuff that's already pushed for a while ago.

@Arnoldstone18 I'll get to that CRT soon

@DavidTPPM Looks fine to me.

@Eseseso That looks like immortality negation more than anything.
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Hax Layers - [TenSura] -
alright, this'll be a long one so please bear with it

Power Nullification

1 Layers : Holy Field [already on their profile ]
1 Layer resistance : Unique Skill users are unaffected by it [already on their profile]
2 Layers : Diablo's Skill which can cancel holy magic like Trinity Break, Unique skills can work on other unique skill holders
Additionally, Ultimate Skills nullify any skill below their level, even unique ones
2 Layer resistance : Ultimate Skills cannot be harmed by those below their level, which is an absolute, unbendable rule
Passive 3 Layers : Yuuki's Anti-Skill is similar in nature to Hinata, passive, it can cancel any attack coming his way, including any Magic, or Physical Attack, can even nullify Ultimate Skills, he has it as an attribute so even his normal attacks posses the attribute called "Anti-skill",
3 Layer resistance : True Dragons like Velgrynd are unaffected by Anti-skill, True Dragon levels like Guy Crimson are unaffected by the likes of Anti-Skill, both Physically, and magically, to the point that even their normal magic is not affected

Information Analysis

Baseline : Analysis Magic which can analyze the target
Baseline Resistance : Unique Skill users have resistance to magic
1 Layer : Hinata's Unique Skill which lets her analyze her opponent's skills, unique skills work on other unique skills
1 Layer resistance : Ultimate skill users resist it

Power Absorption
Baseline Resistance : Skills are inscribed within one's Soul and resist any outside interference interference to seize, separate or erase[nullify] them
1 Layer : Hinata's Unique skill which can steal and mimic skills, Rimuru's Unique skill which can absorb Skills, Yuuki who is able to steal Mariabell's unique skill upon contact

Curse Manipulation
Baseline : Simply Curse magic, Ultima's normal curse magic
Baseline Resistance : Unique Skill users have high resistance to Magic
1 Layer : Lock Curse put by the summoner, which makes the target obey one's command to the utmost and works on Unique skill holders like otherworlders, and Dino's skill, which puts a sleep curse that works on even Unique skill users
1 Layer resistance : Ultimate Skill users cannot be harmed by anything other than an Ultimate skill, True dragons are Ultimate level beings whose very existence is equal to an Ultimate skill, and are unaffected by even the highest form of magic like disintegration, it is an absolute unbendable rule, Ultimate skill users can resist Dino's unique skill
2 Layers : Ultima's Curse magic which could harm a True Dragon like Velgrynd, Dino's skill which had evolved to an Ultimate level, thus should be able to do the same as previous but effect Ultimate level beings, as Ultimate skills can counter other Ultimate skill resistances
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Okay remember that we have 3 layers of power null here. Thing is I want this to be 4 layers now because the Suspended World can stop magic and skills from working and works on even True Dragons like Rimuru who is a Digital Lifeform that is unaffected by space and time.

Power Nullification (Suspended World makes it impossible to use any magicule based skills including abilities like regeneration or resurrection, and this would also apply to Digital Lifeforms who are not affected by time and can move in the Suspended World.[40])

We also have a few scenarios where the Suspended World is considered dangerous to even Velgrynd who was a true dragon
 
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What part of that shows true dragons being affected? Cause it’s not explained in the scan
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Rimuru is a true dragon as well if u know and he is not even a Digital lifeform before that. The proof is on his profile

It seems like I lost the scan for Velgrynd case however I have this scan that whoever couldn't reach the Suspended world would be no match to those who couldn't so it does not matter if u are a true dragon or not. To be honest Velgrynd is not even a Digital lifeform yet.
https://gyazo.com/eee5def8ac7b5927df008ec4c0c7a867 vol 19
 
The first scan literally doesn’t mention anything about true dragons being affected, just some generic line of someone being affected. The second scan doesn’t tell me much and it just shows time stop, which isn’t power null
 
Theglassman12 said:
The first scan literally doesn’t mention anything about true dragons being affected, just some generic line of someone being affected. The second scan doesn’t tell me much and it just shows time stop, which isn’t power null
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No I don't think you understand the Suspended World does not stop magic from moving. They are power null because even Digital Lifeforms who could freely move cannot use magic in time stop. They can only use info particles to fight during the Stopped world
 
That sounds like time stop hax to me more than power null then, so it wouldn’t add to the layers for power null
 
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That sounds like time stop hax to me more than power null then, so it wouldn’t add to the layers for power null
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Yes, Suspended World is basically a multiversal time-stop ability with some special rules, but the verse's explanation of time-stop extends to some extra abilities such as powernull but ultimately cannot be layered as it operates on a different mechanism than the others.

It would be more accurate if it were listed as limited powernull since it cannot negate already activated magic/skills.
 
No, that’s just fire being hotter than normal unless there’s some supernatural element to it that’s not just it being hotter than the weaker ones.
 
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No, that’s just fire being hotter than normal unless there’s some supernatural element to it that’s not just it being hotter than the weaker ones.
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I see. Would something like, say, being magical fire that burns a target forever vs just...regular fire qualify?
 
This guy has resistance to biological manipulation. He was fighting his clone, which is literally his own cell. Basically, his cells have a condition where they become independent when they leave his body. Usually, the cells that leave are limited in power, making them easy to control. However, one of the cells evolved to the point where it went out of the MC's control and became equal to him, with the same abilities and transformations (up to the 2nd version of his human form).

To defeat his clone, the MC needed a powerful form beyond the capabilities of the clone. This form is his 5th or unknown form (that's the name for now).

In this form, he was able to manipulate the clone's cells, which had the same resistance.

So, this should be counted as 1 layer of biological manipulation for his unknown form only.

Incase you need more reasons for his resistance, Here are some feats:

His clone can instantly kill the target with a similar ability to Hakai, but it works on a cellular level, directly breaking others’ bodies into small particles by using his energy attacks.

More scans show similar feats, but here it becomes thought-based.

(The zombie form of the mc focuses on their physical and energy-based attacks, while the human form is an evolved version of his zombie form, allowing him to use any of the abilities without direct contact, basically telekinesis or thought-based attacks.)

The mc could fight with him equally and resist all of the attacks, and the same goes for the clone, at least until his unknown transformation.
 
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1: Neutral vision
Users of this transformation called Blooming are capable of perceiving invisible ink. Granting them Neutral vision, aka the ability to see invisible things (Baseline)
Users of Profuse Blooming can read invisible ink which normal Blooming is incapable of reading (1 Layer)

2: Corrosion Inducement
This guy's flames cause corrosion, making them rot and crumble apart (Baseline)
But when this other guy called Shinzo is using his Blooming he can punch these decaying flames without issue (Baseline resistance)
When the guy with corrosion, amps and condenses his flames into a blade he claims can bypass Shinzo's resistance, but Shinzo's True Spring Blooming can withstand said decaying flames (1 Layer)

3: Paralysis Inducement
This guy Kyoichiro is immune to basically all poisons, many of them induce paralysis. Such as these needles which are potent enough to paralyze this guy with poison resistance. Only Blight Spider toxin works on him, and it at best numbs his finger for a brief time. (Baseline)
This kid Nanao, has a blooming that lets him shoot out poison which could instantly stop Kyoichiro dead in his tracks if he was hit by it (1 Layer)
 
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@Pedonar the resistance to biological manipulation is very lacking, the description on the page just sounds like shapeshifting at best and not him resisting bio hax, so that wouldn't really be a layer there. The stuff with the black particles looks more like deconstruction than bio hax since its reducing someone into black particles, so yeah not really seeing layered hax here.

@Jackof_noTrades068 that's not 1 layer of resistance to neutral vision, that's baseline. 1 layer is if his vision worked on something that can resist his neutral vision, also the second scan doesn't really tell me much in terms of seeing invisible ink there. Corrosion inducement and paralysis looks fine.
 
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