Hax Layer Evaluation Thread

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Baseline Resistance: Kaiju No. 9 is capable of adapting to the point of developing resistances. At first, Kikoru could help Reno with being able to predict the movement of its attacks but Kaiju No. 9 adapted to it. The next time Kikoru fought against No. 9, she stated she is unable to predict its movement, showing how the adaptation became a resistance

Thats no literal precog at all, its just the characters learning how to aticipate a attack before it happens. Theres nothing supernatural in this and its just the most basic analytical prediction at best

Sees the finger growing a meat ball -> Sees it compress -> Dodge

Anyone with a good eye could do it

1 Layer (Gen w/ RT-0001): Gen with RT-0001 could constantly predict Kaiju No. 9’s movement even though it had similarly adapted to Gen’s movement.

Gen reads eletrical signals of the opponent and uses that to predict movements. Its just analytical prediction but in this case he gets more information to predict, allowing a better peform, but its not a additional layer. Its just a complet different mechanic

1 Layer Resistance (Kaiju No. 11’s Water): It is stated by the author that No. 11’s water cannot be read by Gen’s pseudo foresight.

Thats just Gen's weakness, where its stated that he cannot predict inorganic attacks

2 Layer (Gen w/ Evolved RT-0001): However, Gen with his Evolved RT-0001 could read the movement of not only its main body but the water as well

He just suppressed his weakness by reading electrons, fluctuations in temperature and the terrain, allowing Gen to predict even the inorganic

Like, yeah, Envolved Gen > Normal Gen, but not every improvement is a new layer. His vision can just get better information now

 

[speedster352]

Furthermore all I am trying to say is that goddess clan deconstruction<domain of god deconstruction<demon kings resistance< Meliodas true magic deconstruction. So how many layers would this be?

 

[karo_senpaii]

Meliodas destroys demon king who resist this and this is this enough scans?

• Light Manipulation, Holy Manipulation, Limited Deconstruction, and Limited Durability Negation: Ark is a technique of the Goddess Clan that uses light particles to create a sphere of light to trap the target and disintegrate their body. But this effect is only applicable against demons[4]. Numerous Goddesses have shown the ability to harm Demons[4] much more powerful[5] than themselves[6].

how is meliodas deconstructing him? what proof or supporting statement do you have for that coz that could just be destroying or vaporizing

Furthermore all I am trying to say is that goddess clan deconstruction<domain of god deconstruction<demon kings resistance< Meliodas true magic deconstruction. So how many layers would this be?

you would need to prove it with scans

 

[Franstel]

Here's the layer blog. (For more precision.) A few characters in the Spook's series should have one layer of magic and resistance to magic. Copy pasted from the blog:

Grimallkin one of the most killed magic user in the series tried to stop a vartek using magic, yet she failed stating that the magic of witches simply don't work on Varteki. Yet one of the protagonist, Alice a witch, easily killed a grown one with her spells.

Alice would get one layer of Magic.

However, a few magic user in the series can resist Alice's magic, the two strongest of the Triumvirat (Lenklewth and Balkai), Lukrasta and Circe. They all are able to resist each other's magic and affect each other with magic.

So Alice, Lenklewth, Balkai, Circe and Lukrasta would get one layer of magic and one of resistance to magic.

Then there is Tom who when holding the Starblade became completly immune to the magic of all of the above, like here with Lukrasta. He can also turn into his lamia form where he has a comparable resistance to magic than with the starblade and totally no sold Balkai's magic.

Tom would then have a layer of resistance to magic with the Starblade and when transformed into his lamia form.

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

Here's another blog of mine that needs evaluating

 

[speedster352]

how is meliodas deconstructing him? what proof or supporting statement do you have for that coz that could just be destroying or vaporizing

you would need to prove it with scans

It’s accepted on Meliodas profile I hate when people just don’t read the profile. I did provide scans and shown that the demon clan resist deconstruction and true magic Meliodas was still able to deconstruct the demon kings arm. Light Manipulation, Holy Manipulation, Limited Power Nullification, Limited Deconstruction and Soul Destruction (Higher-level Demons can withstand Ark[36]. Besides, when they transform into Indura, they are completely unaffected by Ludoshel's Ark[37])

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

This isn't a versus thread fam, this is a content revision thread and you have to bring the scans for everything you want to get accepted.

 

[speedster352]

Meliodas destroys demon king arm with his true magic who resist deconstruction and scales above characters that can no sell ark and also a scales above Estarossa who can survive this. So how many layers would true magic Meliodas scale to?

 

[Theglassman12]

Sorry for the delay, gonna try to get through these.

@KobsterHope07 Not really sure on the prediction stuff given what LIFE brought up. The regen negation and corrosion stuff is fine.

@Sdjlakjh Yeah that wouldn't be layered hax since there's no showings of resisting her possession, only for her to make it more potent to override their resistances.

@Mizuki67 I'm not really following your point on the probability layers.

@speedster352 that scan of meliodas destroying the demon king doesn't tell me much on if he's deconstructing him or just doing that by raw strength.

@Franstel Looks fine.

@Dagoth_OwO Is Supreme Kai a being that has God Ki? Isn't that reserved for the GoD and angels given how they only talk about the god ki in reference to beerus and not the other normal kais, and does Goku have god ki in his base super saiyan states? I thought that's only reserved for when he goes god and blue? The other layers is fine.

 

[speedster352]

@speedster352 that scan of meliodas destroying the demon king doesn't tell me much on if he's deconstructing him or just doing that by raw strength.

Again true magic has been accepted as deconstruction on the profile. And it’s not a strength based things it’s a hax ability. No other character in the series disintegrates another character because of a strength gap it’s not bleach.

 

[Theglassman12]

What part of that scan mentions he's using true magic to deconstruct the demon king?

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

Is Supreme Kai a being that has God Ki? Isn't that reserved for the GoD and angels given how they only talk about the god ki in reference to beerus and not the other normal kais, and does Goku have god ki in his base super saiyan states? I thought that's only reserved for when he goes god and blue? The other layers is fine.

Yeah, when Goku first turned into a SSG and gained God Ki, he was stated to have become a God just like the Supreme Kai and Beerus. Grand Supreme Kai also has Godly Power albeit he used most of it to seal Moro's power. As for this version of Goku, this seems be the case oddly enough, however I'd like to clarify that this specific Goku is actually from the DBZ movie version of BoG which is a bit different from the DBS anime, so this Base/SS form God Ki thing would only be a thing for the Z Movie version of BoG Goku

 

[speedster352]

What part of that scan mentions he's using true magic to deconstruct the demon king?

Here you go

 

[Theglassman12]

@Dagoth_OwO if that's the case, especially with the kais then the 3 layers is fine.

@speedster352 then that can be fine.

 

[speedster352]

@Dagoth_OwO if that's the case, especially with the kais then the 3 layers is fine.

@speedster352 then that can be fine.

How many layers would it be then?

 

[Theglassman12]

just one

 

[Mizuki67]

Sorry for the delay, gonna try to get through these.

@KobsterHope07 Not really sure on the prediction stuff given what LIFE brought up. The regen negation and corrosion stuff is fine.

@Sdjlakjh Yeah that wouldn't be layered hax since there's no showings of resisting her possession, only for her to make it more potent to override their resistances.

@Mizuki67 I'm not really following your point on the probability layers.

@speedster352 that scan of meliodas destroying the demon king doesn't tell me much on if he's deconstructing him or just doing that by raw strength.

@Franstel Looks fine.

@Dagoth_OwO Is Supreme Kai a being that has God Ki? Isn't that reserved for the GoD and angels given how they only talk about the god ki in reference to beerus and not the other normal kais, and does Goku have god ki in his base super saiyan states? I thought that's only reserved for when he goes god and blue? The other layers is fine.

Unique Skill already resists masayuki chosen one that has probability manipulation. Ultimate Skill user ignores this which is superior to Unique Skills (Previously discussed before)
-baseline resistance

Ultimate Skill Faust which is also a probability manipulation ability can work on Ultimate Skill user that resists and ignore every lower skills.
-1 layer

 

[Theglassman12]

That doesn't tell me anything about probability manipulation layers.

 

[Mizuki67]

That doesn't tell me anything about probability manipulation layers.

Why ?

 

[Theglassman12]

Where's the scans that mentions this being a unique skill and ultimate skills having probability manipulation that can affect other ultimates?

 

[Theglassman12]

Your first scan tells me nothing beyond just an increase in strength.

 

[Mizuki67]

Your first scan tells me nothing beyond just an increase in strength.

Still unique skills are still unaffected and resists this.

Then I recalled that Ultimate can affect other Ultimate as well

 

[Theglassman12]

That's not probability manipulation, that's just statistics amplification.

 

[Sdjlakjh]

Sorry for the delay, gonna try to get through these.

@Sdjlakjh Yeah that wouldn't be layered hax since there's no showings of resisting her possession, only for her to make it more potent to override their resistances.

Actually there is as we saw mid possession in Wukong

 

[Mizuki67]

That's not probability manipulation, that's just statistics amplification.

Which also increases its dodging chance and the chance of dealing fatal damage so i dont see how this is not probability manipulation

 

[Theglassman12]

@Sdjlakjh that's not really enough to qualify for layered hax if he still got possessed in the end.

@Mizuki67 so a self inflicted probability manipulation? Not really something that can help for layers.

 

[Sdjlakjh]

@Sdjlakjh that's not really enough to qualify for layered hax if he still got possessed in the end.

He got possessed in the end because it took 1/3 of LBD's full essences to do so. We know that LBD can already possess people with only one essence

 

[Theglassman12]

You need to show that he can fight off her normal possession. So far you got her possessing people and also possessing wukong, which isn't layers unless established he can fight off possession in the first place.

 

[Sdjlakjh]

You need to show that he can fight off her normal possession. So far you got her possessing people and also possessing wukong, which isn't layers unless established he can fight off possession in the first place.

It was both shown and stated that Wukong can indeed fight her possession. As MK stated, LBD needed every ounce of her strength to keep him contained

 

[DavidTPPM]

A pretty simple one:

Satan can't get absorbed by the gourd.
Satan did get absorbed by Mujin. (1 Layer)

Bump

 

[Theglassman12]

@Sdjlakjh Where in any of the 4 scans does it say that? That's not even said anywhere in those clips.

@DavidTPPM this was already discussed, not really seeing this being layered hax here given the discussion prior.

 

[DavidTPPM]

@DavidTPPM this was already discussed, not really seeing this being layered hax here given the discussion prior.

Which discussion? I remember someone saying it's different types of absorption but I don't see how they would fit different types of absorption. Could you tell me so I can index them appropriately then?

 

[Sdjlakjh]

@Sdjlakjh Where in any of the 4 scans does it say that? That's not even said anywhere in those clips.

@DavidTPPM this was already discussed, not really seeing this being layered hax here given the discussion prior.

You mean the part LBD using her every ounce of her strength?

 

[Theglassman12]

@DavidTPPM literally the entire conversation that happened over a page ago.

@Sdjlakjh You mean the thing he didn’t resist whatsoever and still has no showings of resisting? Again show that he can resist her possession if you want to argue layers, because this isn’t it.

 

[DavidTPPM]

@DavidTPPM literally the entire conversation that happened over a page ago.

That doesn't really answer my question. Someone claimed they're different types of absorption, I claimed they're not and as far as I believe, I proved so.

So I'm asking what types of absorption are the attacks so I can index them properly in the page since to me they both seem like Satan himself is getting absorbed.

 

[Sdjlakjh]

@Sdjlakjh You mean the thing he didn’t resist whatsoever and still has no showings of resisting? Again show that he can resist her possession if you want to argue layers, because this isn’t it.

 

[Theglassman12]

@DavidTPPM You're using a sealing gourd and someone else just consuming another being, which is biological absorption at best to compare the two. They're not the same so this wouldn't be layered hax.

@Sdjlakjh coolio, step one of arguing resistance, now does she inflict a more potent possession on him to bypass his resistance or no? Because if not then that's baseline possession resistance.

 

[Sdjlakjh]

@Sdjlakjh coolio, step one of arguing resistance, now does she inflict a more potent possession on him to bypass his resistance or no? Because if not then that's baseline possession resistance.

Because it took multiple essences to do the effort? If one was enough, LBD would just do that instead of using multiple essences

 

[Theglassman12]

Prove that the possession layers work like that. You only got baseline resistance at best from this.

 

[Sdjlakjh]

Prove that the possession layers work like that. You only got baseline resistance at best from this.

Why would I need to prove it? Logically, if a character needed multiple essences just to possess someone even though they could possess usually for one only, it would imply that said character was amplifying it's possesion ability. Especially when said character was able shown able to resist possesion mid way process