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Hax Layer Evaluation Thread

Theglassman12 said:
@Pedonar the resistance to biological manipulation is very lacking, the description on the page just sounds like shapeshifting at best and not him resisting bio hax
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The description on his profile is outdated
Theglassman12 said:
, so that wouldn't really be a layer there. The stuff with the black particles looks more like deconstruction than bio hax since its reducing someone into black particles, so yeah not really seeing layered hax here.
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I mean Deconstruction is part of biological/matter manipulation

Also its not about deconstruction only, he can
Heal
Recreating bodies and manipulating their genes by turning them into zombies
Killing someone by taking off his genes
 
Where does it say deconstruction is a part of biological manipulation? Also these doesn’t really tell me much on someone resisting the biological hax and he was able to hax them despite said resistance.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Where does it say deconstruction is a part of biological manipulation?
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1. The power system in the series is related to genes.
2. Almost all of his attacks comes from the manipulation of his genes.

So, if he’s going to break down their bodies using something, it should be through their genes/body particles

Theglassman12 said:
Also these doesn’t really tell me much on someone resisting the biological hax and he was able to hax them despite said resistance.
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If the mc can resist it, then the clone should have the same resistance because they are equal. So if the mc unknown form can kill the clone through biological manipulation, then that’s 1 layer of resistance.
 
You’re using a very outdated and blatantly wrong explanation for resisting biological hax. Can you give the more updated version of why they’d resist bio hax in the first place?
 
Theglassman12 said:
You’re using a very outdated and blatantly wrong explanation for resisting biological hax. Can you give the more updated version of why they’d resist bio hax in the first place?
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1. He has full control over his body, even down to the cellular level that can’t be seen even with magnification up to millions of times. With this control, he can change his appearance, including purifying his cells to transform into a human and then switch back to a zombie form.

2. Even when his cells are outside of his body, no one can manipulate them unless he allows it.

3. He can resist his clone’s attacks, which have the same abilities and transformations.
 
Theglassman12 said:
1st point doesn’t tell me much on resistance.
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It counts as resistance ; he was originally human but got turned into zombie

And by controlling his body he can revert the effect of any biological change like nothing happened
Theglassman12 said:
2nd point where does it mention he resists bio hax?
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his cells cant be controlled/used unless if the mc himself allow it

Also if point 1&2 is not valid, 3 rd point should be enough for 1 layer
 
  • Precognition
Baseline Resistance: Kaiju No. 9 is capable of adapting to the point of developing resistances. At first, Kikoru could help Reno with being able to predict the movement of its attacks but Kaiju No. 9 adapted to it. The next time Kikoru fought against No. 9, she stated she is unable to predict its movement, showing how the adaptation became a resistance

1 Layer (Gen w/ RT-0001): Gen with RT-0001 could constantly predict Kaiju No. 9’s movement even though it had similarly adapted to Gen’s movement.

1 Layer Resistance (Kaiju No. 11’s Water): It is stated by the author that No. 11’s water cannot be read by Gen’s pseudo foresight.

2 Layer (Gen w/ Evolved RT-0001): However, Gen with his Evolved RT-0001 could read the movement of not only its main body but the water as well

  • Mind Manipulation (1 Layer)
Baseline Resistance: Essentially, specific officers wears Numbers Weapon Suits that uses a Daikaiju’s cell and energy, which causing brain stimulation and an abnormal spike in neurotransmitter levels as well as transmission rate. As a result, a person's basic human nature and desires emerge. Depending on their personality, the impulse may be strong enough to destroy their body. Furthermore, the toll of this energy and cells has been noted to be sufficient to cause constant pain to the point of being unable to control their own rampant thoughts. It can also cause mental instability and make people slaves to their distorted emotions until their bodies can no longer keep up. Within less than 10 minutes, Reno, a recently trained user of a Numbers Weapon Suit, succumb to these effects, but other Numbers Weapon Suit users like Kikoru Shinomiya, could fight as long as 15 minutes without suffering from these side effects, despite having a Numbers Weapon Suit not as long as Reno

1 Layer: Kaiju No. 15’s Mind Hack is described as psychogenic attack and could affect the likes of Kikoru

  • Regeneration Negation
Baseline: Gen Narumi’s GS-3305 can halt the regeneration of anything it pierces, affecting Pre-Molt No. 9

Baseline Resistance: After absorbing Isao Shinomiya, when Gen had GS-3305 firmly stabbed in No, 9’s body, the wound that No. 9 suffers began to regenerate regardless. Not to mention, after Gen release a barrage of slashes on the Kaiju’s body, you can see it regenerate

1 Layer: Kafka could halt the regeneration of this Kaiju No. 9, to the point even after days has passed, No. 9 was still regenerating its lower body.

1 Layer Resistance: During the No. 9’s Cataclysm, No. 9 could resist Kafka’s RN, as despite suffering lethal blow, it could regenerate the wounds right away with the no delays.

2 Layer: Berserk No. 8 is stated by No. 9 to be crippling its regeneration again


  • Corrosion Inducement
Baseline Resistance (Kaiju and Defense Force Officers): Defense Force Suit are made from Kaiju muscles fibers and cells, and Defense Force Officers are capable of resisting corrosive acid that can melt iron, which is not made of the same cells and fibers, but not their suit.

1 Layer: Kafka Hibino could erode the body of Kaiju, stripping away their skin and reducing them to bones with his attacks. Due to Kafka’s attacks, No. 9’s body was breaking down tremendously.

1 Layer Resistance: No. 9, during the No. 9’s Cataclysms, could withstand many attacks from Kafka during their battle with little ill effect unlike previously

2 Layer: Berserk No. 8 is ripping away No. 9’s skin at a large rate.
 
Pedonar said:
It counts as resistance ; he was originally human but got turned into zombie

And by controlling his body he can revert the effect of any biological change like nothing happened


his cells cant be controlled/used unless if the mc himself allow it

Also if point 1&2 is not valid, 3 rd point should be enough for 1 layer
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Bump
 
deonment said:
Two different types of absorption, one is sealing, the other is like buu, that doesn't give layered resistance
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Not really. The gourd is both sealing AND absorption, those are not mutually exclusive.

And the only way the wiki distinguishes absorption is by what it absorbs (like power, souls, etc), while both the gourd and Mujin attempt to absorb Satan in general so they're essentially the same in that regard.
 
DavidTPPM said:
Not really. The gourd is both sealing AND absorption, those are not mutually exclusive.

And the only way the wiki distinguishes absorption is by what it absorbs (like power, souls, etc), while both the gourd and Mujin attempt to absorb Satan in general so they're essentially the same in that regard.
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Yeah I know that, but the absorption proper only comes into play when you actually reach inside the gourd, otherwise its just sealing

They are two separate mechanics, we would treat a resistance to getting mind controlled and a resistance to getting your mind destroyed as the same thing, they may fall under the same category but that doesn't make them the same in terms of mechanics and what you need to resist them
 
deonment said:
Yeah I know that, but the absorption proper only comes into play when you actually reach inside the gourd, otherwise its just sealing
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The absorption is literally what gets them into the bottle which is where they get sealed.
deonment said:
They are two separate mechanics, we would treat a resistance to getting mind controlled and a resistance to getting your mind destroyed as the same thing, they may fall under the same category but that doesn't make them the same in terms of mechanics and what you need to resist them
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They're 2 different abilities with different results but they do essentially the same thing to achieve the results.
The difference is in what happens after absorption not in the absorption itself.
 
A character can brainwash people instantly, but it took him hours to brainwash an unconscious dragon. Is that a layered hax or resistance ?

Everyone in this verse have a basic resistance to mind manipulation.
 
KobsterHope07 said:
  • Precognition
Baseline Resistance: Kaiju No. 9 is capable of adapting to the point of developing resistances. At first, Kikoru could help Reno with being able to predict the movement of its attacks but Kaiju No. 9 adapted to it. The next time Kikoru fought against No. 9, she stated she is unable to predict its movement, showing how the adaptation became a resistance

1 Layer (Gen w/ RT-0001): Gen with RT-0001 could constantly predict Kaiju No. 9’s movement even though it had similarly adapted to Gen’s movement.

1 Layer Resistance (Kaiju No. 11’s Water): It is stated by the author that No. 11’s water cannot be read by Gen’s pseudo foresight.

2 Layer (Gen w/ Evolved RT-0001): However, Gen with his Evolved RT-0001 could read the movement of not only its main body but the water as well

  • Mind Manipulation (1 Layer)
Baseline Resistance: Essentially, specific officers wears Numbers Weapon Suits that uses a Daikaiju’s cell and energy, which causing brain stimulation and an abnormal spike in neurotransmitter levels as well as transmission rate. As a result, a person's basic human nature and desires emerge. Depending on their personality, the impulse may be strong enough to destroy their body. Furthermore, the toll of this energy and cells has been noted to be sufficient to cause constant pain to the point of being unable to control their own rampant thoughts. It can also cause mental instability and make people slaves to their distorted emotions until their bodies can no longer keep up. Within less than 10 minutes, Reno, a recently trained user of a Numbers Weapon Suit, succumb to these effects, but other Numbers Weapon Suit users like Kikoru Shinomiya, could fight as long as 15 minutes without suffering from these side effects, despite having a Numbers Weapon Suit not as long as Reno

1 Layer: Kaiju No. 15’s Mind Hack is described as psychogenic attack and could affect the likes of Kikoru

  • Regeneration Negation
Baseline: Gen Narumi’s GS-3305 can halt the regeneration of anything it pierces, affecting Pre-Molt No. 9

Baseline Resistance: After absorbing Isao Shinomiya, when Gen had GS-3305 firmly stabbed in No, 9’s body, the wound that No. 9 suffers began to regenerate regardless. Not to mention, after Gen release a barrage of slashes on the Kaiju’s body, you can see it regenerate

1 Layer: Kafka could halt the regeneration of this Kaiju No. 9, to the point even after days has passed, No. 9 was still regenerating its lower body.

1 Layer Resistance: During the No. 9’s Cataclysm, No. 9 could resist Kafka’s RN, as despite suffering lethal blow, it could regenerate the wounds right away with the no delays.

2 Layer: Berserk No. 8 is stated by No. 9 to be crippling its regeneration again


  • Corrosion Inducement
Baseline Resistance (Kaiju and Defense Force Officers): Defense Force Suit are made from Kaiju muscles fibers and cells, and Defense Force Officers are capable of resisting corrosive acid that can melt iron, which is not made of the same cells and fibers, but not their suit.

1 Layer: Kafka Hibino could erode the body of Kaiju, stripping away their skin and reducing them to bones with his attacks. Due to Kafka’s attacks, No. 9’s body was breaking down tremendously.

1 Layer Resistance: No. 9, during the No. 9’s Cataclysms, could withstand many attacks from Kafka during their battle with little ill effect unlike previously

2 Layer: Berserk No. 8 is ripping away No. 9’s skin at a large rate.
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In addition to this: Soshiro’s Air Slice and Kaiju No. 9’s projectiles being 1 Layer each

For Soshiro: Soshiro’s attack being stated to be invisible air slashes < Kafka is able to perceive and dodge it < Soshiro’s Air Slicer is invisible to the point that Kafka is unable to perceive or dodge, questioning if it was an air slash

For No. 9: Soshiro’s attack being stated to be invisible air slashes < Kafka is able to perceive and dodge it < Kafka is unable to perceive and even stated that he cannot see it
 
Godernet said:
I have something I want to propose for the Narutoverse:

Layered Deconstruction:

This would be For Kaguya Otsutsuki's All-Killing Ash Bones

Reasoning:

- The Truth-Seeking Orbs are described in the manga as turning everything that touches them into dust and is directly compared to Onoki's Particle Style which also turns everything it touches to dust on a molecular level.

- Six Paths characters are stated and shown multiple times to be completely immune to the effects of Truth-Seeking Orbs and can freely touch or use them in combat.

- Despite this immunity, Kaguya's All-Killing Ash Bones are capable of affecting Six-Path Sage Mode Naruto clones on several different occasions and Obito(Post Ten-Tails Extraction), despite both of these characters having Six Paths Chakra(Note: Kakashi is being empowered with Obito's Six Paths Chakra here) and already proving their immunity to Truth-Seeking Orbs, and yet Kaguya's ability is still capable of turning them both into ash.

Conclusion:

Kaguya's AKAB should receive a layer for Deconstruction for affecting characters that are immune to deconstruction on a lesser level.

Kaguya herself could also receive Two Layers of Deconstruction Resistance due to the jutsu being formed from her literal bones and her being unaffected by them despite her bones traveling throughout her body and through her skin to reach others.

Potency Layers: All-Killing Ash Bone > Truth-Seeking Orbs ~ Particle Style

Resistance Layers: Kaguya > All-Killing Ash Bones > Six-Paths Resistances

Let me know if any other scans are needed for anything in regards to Six-Paths characters/Truth-Seeking Orbs, or if there are any flaws in this logic, Thank you in advance.
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Shouldn't Kaguya only have 1 layer of resistance?
TSO (baseline decon) < 6 paths resistance (baseline resistance) < AKAB (1 layer decon < Kaguyas resistance (1 layer resistance)
 
DavidTPPM said:
2 pretty simple abilities here:
Creatures from the heavenly realm (gods) resist gourds absorption which can seal away people, power, and even memories (baseline resistance to absorption and power null).

Greed/Tam can absorb and nullify powers of those that touch it. (it literally sucks out the powers themselves not just energy). This is shown to work even on Gods. (1 layer)

Mujin can resist this despite being completely swallowed and chewed up. (1 layer resistance).

Yet Moris perfect circle can absorb and power null Mujin. (2 layers)

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Mujin can resist Qs existence erasure. (at least baseline resistance)

But Moris EE can still erase Mujin. (1 layer)
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If I remember correctly, all of Mori's hax are 4D, which in nature, is higher than Q's abilities as they are 3D. Literally no abilities cam be upscaled from Nirvana Mori as his abilities are all Higher dimensional.
 
Success0906 said:
Dude, stop wanking! The Gourd can't absorb divine entities. It's clearly stated in the series.
(Nice try, though!)
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The gourd not working on beings from heaven is literally the basis for baseline resistance. Idk what's wank about characters resisting an ability giving them resistance to that thing 💀.
Success0906 said:
If I remember correctly, all of Mori's hax are 4D, which in nature, is higher than Q's abilities as they are 3D. Literally no abilities cam be upscaled from Nirvana Mori as his abilities are all Higher dimensional.
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Karma/red wings also give 4D resistances so this just simply isn't true.
 
DavidTPPM said:
The gourd not working on beings from heaven is literally the basis for baseline resistance. Idk what's wank about characters resisting an ability giving them resistance to that thing 💀.
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He didn't absorb Satan, he just absorbed his core element. Both are different types of absorption.

That is the wank.
 
Success0906 said:
Even then, it would only be one layer. Not 2!
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It literally is 1 layer you goober
Success0906 said:
When did that even get accepted? And it would remove resistance negation too, since now it is counted as layers.
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If you don't know what you're talking about just ask in the general discussion thread, don't spam this place.
Success0906 said:
He didn't absorb Satan, he just absorbed his core element.
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The core element contains your mind body and soul and is literally Satans heart.
Success0906 said:
Both are different types of absorption.
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No they're not. I already debunked that here.
Success0906 said:
That is the wank.
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No, you just don't have any idea on what you're saying.
 
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Sdjlakjh said:
Hello does this count as multiple layers of Possession/Corruption?

As we see here, one essence of Lady Bone Demon was capable of possessing someone, and here's another reference. One essence was also enough to corrupt others. And then it was shown that she was able to stack multiple of her own essences to take control of Sun Wukong. So does this mean 1 essence = 1 layer of possession/corruption?
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No, it seems more like that she recalled all the essence she had used to possess/corrupt Sun Wukong.
 
Sdjlakjh said:
Recalled to stack them from what I observed since one essence wasn't enough to keep him under possession (he was still resisting mid way during process)
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Or, she recalled all her essence, so this will probably only grant her 1 layer or just greater hax.
 
Success0906 said:
Is there concrete proof, my brother? I am only just starting MK.
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Because one essence was enough to possess/corrupt anyone. As we see in the scene, LBD needed to stack 1/3 of her full essence to possess Wukong as we saw he was resisting mid process
 
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So True magic Meliodas can deconstruct the demon king who scales above characters that can no sell deconstruction in the demon clan biology page and also scales above a character that can resist molecular deconstruction. So would true magic Meliodas get 1 or 2 layers of deconstruction?
 
speedster352 said:
So True magic Meliodas can deconstruct the demon king who scales above characters that can no sell deconstruction in the demon clan biology page and also scales above a character that can resist molecular deconstruction. So would true magic Meliodas get 1 or 2 layers of deconstruction?
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You need scans for all of that.
 
 
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