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Saikou The Lewd King said:
How is that energy 4-D instead of just Low 2-C in power...?
Cuz energy with Low 2-C power is 4D energy (thinks).
 
No? Someone who can do Low 2-C attacks with their physical attacks isn't necessarily 4-D. Same goes for energy blasts.
 
Low 2-C is just lower cap for 4-D power there is, it all seems like semantics to me tbh.

Hakai should affect anyone who is low 2-C since there is no reason to not scale abilities to the level of power the characters have shown to have (which i assume is the point this thread is trying to prove)
 
Except that's not how it works. No characters beyond Zamasu in Dragon Ball are 4-D. No reason to assume Hakai is 4-D.
 
The point PaChi is making is that Vegeta is a 3D character with 4D powers and hakai can erase his energy blasts.
 
Vegeta's Ki being 4-D because it's used for Low 2-C feats is the same as saying a character is 4-D for punching to do Low 2-C feats. That's not how it works. It's still just 4-D power and not actually being 4-D.
 
Because you're conflating 4-D as a state of being with the attack potency to bust a baseline 4-D structure which is a single space-time continum is by definition.

Low 2-C attacks are baseline 4-D in power, this doesn't in any way require the character to physically have a 4-D body.
 
No one's saying that Hakai won't work on a Low 2-C being. We're saying that Hakai won't work on beings who are actually 4-D (instead of just 3-D with 4-D power) because it has never shown the ability to affect 4-D beings or structures.

And no, Ki isn't 4-D via doing a Low 2-C feat.
 
"It doesn't matter if Beerus is 3D or 4D or has erased people or timelines.

He is Low 2-C. His power is on that scale. His power and all his techniques come from his Ki, including that Hakai ability.

Ergo, it can erase Low 2-C people.

Getting overly caught up in meaningless discussions shouldn't be a thing for something so simple."

Anyway I agree with ^Matt's comment here.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
No one's saying that Hakai won't work on a Low 2-C being. We're saying that Hakai won't work on beings who are actually 4-D (instead of just 3-D with 4-D power) because it has never shown the ability to affect 4-D beings or structures.
And no, Ki isn't 4-D via doing a Low 2-C feat.
Any attack which has Low 2-C potency can hurt a 4D being tho, despite the attacker not being 4D. Same goes for hakai, it's shown to work against Low 2-C energy which can hurt a 4D being.
 
He's not The Lewd King for no reaso
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Except that Hakai is hax, not AP. It can erase 3-D matter which just so happens to be strong enough to take 4-D attacks, but hasn't shown the same for 4-D matter itself.
I was talking about the hakai energy balls.

The video is about Toppo and his energy balls.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Vegeta's Ki being 4-D because it's used for Low 2-C feats is the same as saying a character is 4-D for punching to do Low 2-C feats. That's not how it works. It's still just 4-D power and not actually being 4-D.
Im not talking about vegeta being 4D.

And why isnt Ki 4D for doing a 4D feat.

Vegeta had 4D power. And what's his power? Ki. You need to try harder to convince me that someone with Low 2-C potency doesnt use 4D energy.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Actually, Beerus can't destroy a timeline because his range is only universal. He is Low 2-C via scaling.
They may have 4D power but they can't destroy a space-time continuum, a 4D construct.
 
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