I’m not saying they weren’t going to erase all the matter in their universes, but there’s 0 evidence or indication spacetime was targeted in any way. The “erasure” didn’t even erase the floor underneath them. I think it’s bad evidence for the claim being presented in the OP.
We currently accept they were going to erase their universes, is why they originally were upgraded to 2-C before the macrocosm shenanigans. So I have to completely disagree with your reasoning here.
That makes no sense if they were gonna completely annihilate both their universes it means they have destroy everything not just matter. Even characters in BoG could do this.
We currently accept many wrong things on this site, the evidence very clearly doesn’t point to 4D erasure (arguably, doesn’t point to any kind of erasure as the floor wasn’t even erased).
Don’t know why you’re bringing up BoG, the evidence there for 2-C also doesn’t exist.
my dude, i also disagree with History erasure based on that scene as nothing would indicate that the energy would spread that far, with the scene where both Beerus and Champa fight showing what a fight between them that destroys the universes look like + the Hakai energy only erasing what the User wants it to erase while leaving all else unharmed.........but come on, to claim that they destroying 2 universes is wrong? nah bro, they would, that is a narrative point, it nearly almost happens, you can't really deny that
Fortunately, my job as staff is to adhere to what is currently accepted until a thread is made to challenge it and remove it as valid evidence. Until then, this is completely valid to use. What staff need to figure out is if it's enough to argue history-level erasure.
The macrocosm’s are literally 2-C and they were gonna destroy it. That’s every strait forward
If you can point to where I said they can't destroy the 2 macrocosms, it would be much appreciated because I said the opposite 2 comments ago.
Lmao literally the whole point was that vados and whis stopped them before it got out of hand. They were going to destroy 2 macrocosms with that same energy.
The same energy on screen was only affecting matter on a level below even basic matter erasure.
Again, we KNOW that was destruction energy, which points to the obvious fact that whis and vados stopped them BEFORE it got intense enough to erase both universes. Did you also ignore the hakai beerus and champa used on the manga panel that would have erased a macrocosm??
I did ignore the manga panel because the manga and anime are different continuities.
Well your reason for ignoring it is flawed, hakai still works basically the same way, except for like the anti matter shenanigans in the manga, but that is besides the point. Both versions still turn something into nothing, mind, body, soul, even spacetime. "Again, no amount of evidence from that scene points to history erasure and no amount of asserting it does will change that". Lmao thats your opinion, just because you can't believe something doesn't mean it doesn't have validity and evidence behind it, so saying something like that really doesn't matter.
As long as we accept Super and manga as different continuities, you cannot cross scale between them.
it being destruction energy doesn't mean much given how a GoD can fully control what effect the energy has on the things it touches, several times it is used in regular matter and chars without it being erased, nor suffering anything other than normal damage, the scene in question is also a good example of destruction energy not erasing things, as it simply got corroded/deconstructed without it actually being erased, we also see this in the manga in the several times the energy didn't erased things at all, but simply deconstructed them into dust
The Hakai completely erases you from existence, whether at the level of deconstruction, or spiritual, it erases you.
He didn't argue against this. He's arguing since they can control completely the hakai energy, it doesn't always completely erase, which is straight up proven by Toppo in the ToP.
The OPs arguing for both manga and anime though.
Just to complement, not trying to argue with you, just complememting on the point, in the very scene being discussed they clearly also aren't using a "erase all it touches" hakai, as we can clearly ser that nothing was being erased by their energy at all, but simply disconstructed/corroded, so my argument also is that their Hakai energy was in a "non full erasure mode" like tge Hakai of the GoD in the ToP arena and Hakaishin Toppo during many times the ToP
What I'm neutral about is whether that's enough for history EE, as I'm not in-depth familiar with our standards there.
Historical EE just requires you to be able to afffect multiple time space continuum of significant value with EE hax. Like Zeno has on his profile. And they also call the 2 universes separate histories.
In that case, I lean towards being okay with it. Keyword being "Lean." I'd say it's more on point in the manga description as well.
Do you agree fully on the manga?
What I don't get is universe 6 being refered to as history as evidence for HEE because in context it means that even though uni 6 and 7 are twin uni having some same species. Their progress of how uni 6 came to be as uni 6 is different then uni 7.
That’s more of causality manipulation and the time rings can resist that it’s a form of accasuality.
No the scan i showed was referencing both in the same context as the parallel worlds it’s in the final picture.
Tbh that doesn't matter anyway since macrocosm have accepted to have there own time axis aka having there own past, present and future/history they are separate space times
Makes sense I agree.
Can you cite where we got that standard accepted? Then I can give full support
Considering Zeno was going to wipe both universes for having a shit developed mortal count, I highly doubt this is the case. Both universes being erased would've gotten them clapped and would've killed their Supreme Kai in the process, which in turn also gets them clapped. Zeno came to the U6 Tournament; I highly doubt he wouldn't immediately show up for an unannounced universe erasure.
This is what my response was toward. Toppo was blinking rocks from existence in the ToP without actively trying to erase people. Beerus and Champa turned the floor to coal, and it should go without saying they weren't trying to kill each other either. It would be suicide from multiple angles.
