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Edited the comment, I meant death-hax.
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Gremmy Thoumeaux vs Ji Ning - Battle for 4th Strongest High 6-A (Non-Smurf)
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It leaves behind blood spatter / mild gore, so I guess Ji Ning can do his trick of regenerating from a drop of blood according to his profile.
EDIT: Never mind. I see you meant Death Hax.
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It's soul based, pretty generic otherwise.
Not really? We see no blood or gore on the floor afterwards.
And it wouldn't make any sense for it to not erase entirely when Guenael's existence is reliant on Gremmy imagining it, which he ceases to do.
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We just saw the initial explosion of "his body" but there was nothing shown to be left, no blood on the floor/ walls etc.
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OK, so based on everything, the way I see this going;
- Gremmy starts with Death Manipulation and Ning can use concept lock as a soul then finish him off with either Danmaku or try to possess him afterwards. Not yet talked about.
- Gremmy starts with Existence Erasure and destroys Ning's physical body. His Primaltwin hides himself from their memory and uses his Domain to lock him in place and do the above. Still in debate.
-Gremmy starts with anything else and Ning has a field day via oneshotting. Though, apparently the chances of this are very tiny.
Ning has precognition that allows him to know that Gremmy is an extremely life threatening being so that'd help towards his response at least. And Gremmy admittedly stands a very decent chance at killing him permanently if he messes up anywhere.
Overall, I'd still vote for Ji Ning winning this, albeit with very close odds.
- Gremmy starts with Death Manipulation and Ning can use concept lock as a soul then finish him off with either Danmaku or try to possess him afterwards. Not yet talked about.
- Gremmy starts with Existence Erasure and destroys Ning's physical body. His Primaltwin hides himself from their memory and uses his Domain to lock him in place and do the above. Still in debate.
-Gremmy starts with anything else and Ning has a field day via oneshotting. Though, apparently the chances of this are very tiny.
Ning has precognition that allows him to know that Gremmy is an extremely life threatening being so that'd help towards his response at least. And Gremmy admittedly stands a very decent chance at killing him permanently if he messes up anywhere.
Overall, I'd still vote for Ji Ning winning this, albeit with very close odds.
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I'm confused, how does Ji Ning pull this off if his soul is dead?
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It kills souls? Huh, my mistake there.
In that case, I'd put it as either a lot closer for Ning or Inconclusive.
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It's a bit weird because everyone relevant in Bleach is a soul, so using death hax on them = using death hax against souls.
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Hellscream
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I'll wait a bit and see if any other arguments are brought up, before giving a definitive vote.
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If the mechanism is just "lol, ya soul died", he really can't.
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Yeah, that's pretty much how it works lmao.
Hellscream
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Im pretty sure bleach has a lot more than 10 layers, but i don't think a CRT has been created for exactly how many yet.
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Wouldn't Ji Ning specifically need resistance to soul based death manipulation? I don't see why soul resistance would be generalized to absolutely everything targeting the soul when it's the mechanics of how it affects the soul that also matter.
Like, I really doubt we'd say that a character who has soul resistance from resisting their soul being sucked out also has resistance to soul based EE, death manip, mind manip, transmutation, power mimicry etc.
Like, I really doubt we'd say that a character who has soul resistance from resisting their soul being sucked out also has resistance to soul based EE, death manip, mind manip, transmutation, power mimicry etc.
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I actually vote for Ji Ning, his arguments seems more likely to me to give him the win.
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i vote for ji
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Nah, his Primaltwin would survive just fine.
......Wait a minute. If Gremmy starts with death-hax then the strategy with the Primaltwin still applies lile with his EE. I have no clue how I missed that.
Changing my vote back to Ji Ning in that case.
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Would just like to say on this, if he only has the one fight then that's all you can really use to draw from how Gremmy will fight. It's not unfair to use it as a basis for how he'll fight when you have no other sources to rely on. Either that's usuable or Gremmy himself can't really be used for VsBattles
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That's not even remotely true as characters who have never even fought are used in Vsbattles all the time.
Fact is that Gremmy vs Kenpachi was context heavy, he's not fighting that way against a character he doesn't know and has nothing to prove against.
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The difference here is that Gremmy has fought before, not that he hasn't ever. If you're going to bother having him in-character, then drawing from his fight only makes sense cause its there. We have a source of accuracy to go off of, to just ignore it in this case doesn't make sense since we have nothing else to go off of.
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No it does not make sense to use his fight with Kenpachi as I and other have clearly highlighted, you can disagree with that which is fine, but I don't.
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Big Dick Ning FRA, the primaltwin shenanigans as well as other reasoning honestly makes me lean towards him.
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But it's okay to already have him with a clone out, which he would only use if he needed to get more power to take on his opponent? If Gremmy is starting with the clone in play, then cleary Ji Ning warrants the greater power. As long as they're in-character, it's not like Gremmy would just have the clone out as far as we know.
So instead of throwing out literally the entire thing that gives us most of what we have for Gremmy in terms of all we know about him, it should clearly make sense to use that fight as a source to understand how he fights.
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When did I say Gremmy has a clone out?
It's completely unfair to Gremmy to use his fight with Kenpachi when it's blatantly obvious he wouldn't fight that way against someone he doesn't know and has nothing to prove to...so yes it shouldn't be considered in a fight where the context is vastly different.
It's not even like Gremmy's mindset is otherwise unknown anyway, his first ever moves were to imagine two guys dead and EE Guenael.
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Gremmy is only High 6-A with his clones.
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Deceived deciding that Gremmy starts with clones is his decision, that's got nothing to do with me.
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Isn't unfair to any opponent to assume that Gremmy automatically goes for a erasing when he only stops imagining things he makes, and the only people he insta-killed were bedridden and out of commision? Otherwise, with Kenpachi and Yachiru he did not immediately go for the kill. There is no precedent set for him to insta-kill someone just standing right in front of him.
Edit: His profile itself notes he's HIgh 6-A with his clones. Not that he's just High 6-A by himself
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