Gravity Falls downgrade summary

[Totallynotchewbacca]

oh also low multiversal range forgot that

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Stop derailing please

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

okay i gotta go now

soooo.... bye!

 

[Lightbuster30]

CM or not being able to overwrite an entire timeline is kinda proof that Time-Baby does have control over the full space-time continuum.

 

[Antvasima]

You can place a request on my message wall when you have reached a conclusion.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

CM or not being able to overwrite an entire timeline is kinda proof that Time-Baby does have control over the full space-time continuum.

But he never does that. That is an assumption made without proof.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Right because being superior to something that can alter a universal space-time isn't proof that they themselves have universe scale space-time manipulation.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It is litirally changing the past. Altering space-time is a hax, and needs to be proven that it can be equated to AP.

Seriously, I countered the wish being low 2-C already, please stop bringing that up over and over.

 

[Lightbuster30]

You said that manipulating space-time is only high 3-A because Time Baby has no proof of doing so on a universal scale. You called tbe time wish causality manipulation, but it still rewrites the timeline at a universal scale. I'm interested in the scale to which it can do so, because that confirms Time Babys range is indeed universal via scaling

 

[DMB_1]

Universal =/= Universal+

And doing so with Causality Manipulation is hax, not AP:

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Time Baby merely changes the past or creates stuff. Nothing he did was ever universal in scale, and it would be hax regardless.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Universal would just be the matter in the universe. Space-time is unaffected.

Universal+ includes the entire 4D space-time continuum.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Universal would just be the matter in the universe. Space-time is unaffected.

Universal+ includes the entire 4D space-time continuum.

I'm being generic. I really mean universal+ range since overwriting a timeline wouldn't affect just matter.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

He did not overwrite it.

There is absolutly no proof of that. He merely changed the past.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Is it ever specified that the time wish is limited only to the past?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It says to alter time "any way you chose". The latter is an nlf, and there are no showings of anything that is AP aplicable in the slightest.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I agree time wish isn't low 2-C, just causality hax

So yes, high 3-A is best

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Being able to "eat time" on anything less than a universal scale is just Time hax, imo. If he is able to eat the time of a Town, put him at 7-C, and so on and so forth.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

But then bill using 3 dimensional as an insult wouldn't make sense

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I mean, he would need to be Unknown by virtue of being capable of fodderizing a futuristic civilization.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

But then bill using 3 dimensional as an insult wouldn't make sense

And the alien in Rick and Morty also asserted his 4-D nature but got bopped by a human. Without feats to back up higher-dimensional claims I don't think it should be used.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Now, this is just a question, and I am really dreading asking it, but why couldn't bill be a glass cannon?

Yeah, him being hurt by the shack and such should be PiS... but what would it contradict for him to not be infinitly above everything else physically? (And don't say that the shack had his weakness, it was only a forcefield that stopped him from hitting back, it didn't weaken him)

All of his decent feats are done through hax or powers and he never really showed anything physical beyond anti-feats for his current rating.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I'm not entirely sure, especially seeing as his physical body is merely a projection

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Bill could just be a hax cannon. However his raw tier-able strength seems hard to determine.

 

[Eficiente]

I agree with the downgrade.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I mean, he would at least be 5-B to 3-C when a giant, but I don't know what tier he would be when he is normal sized.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

His hax is 4D however, so I don't know if that would warrant a "High 3-A with Hax" or something.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Actually...

I don't think the barrier actually limited his powers, just his range.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

He is constantly described as a higher dimensional being by ford and through that insult

Changing his tier entirely based on "it could be this or it could be that" seems just outlandish as a downgrade i agree with High 3-A but him being able to have power over the universe shows downright that he is physically so because in the entire projection sequence we never see him use any hax to sustain control of the universe or anytime within the nightmare realm (The universe within the 2-A construct not the entire nightmare realm)

Anyways it is not like Time baby is eating time via hax he is drinking it i.e. he is drinking a portion of time itself

High 3-A is reliable enough and i think it should be left at that

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Someone having power over the universe does not scale to physical AP or Dura.

He never substains direct control over time period. And that is a hax plain out, one doesn't need physical strenght to manipulate space nor time.

We also never see him in the nightmare realm, and he never showcased control over it either. He only escaped there after his dimension was destroyed.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

before i go any further with my argument i just want to know why you are downgrading him to 5-B just curious

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

before i go any further with my argument i just want to know why you are downgrading him to 5-B just curious

I am not tough.

I said Unknown, at least 5-B due to being far above his friends.

And the reason given that the stuff brought up was hax, and not aplicable to AP, as Assalt said.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Plus, Bill's reasoning for 2-A is the same as for low 2-C. He wasn't doing it himself, it was a chain event.

Someones wrath being unleashed on something does not meant that he can destroy it, and making reality a lawless hell where no rules work would be quiet fitting for being a threat to the multiverse.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

His 2-A was because he was a threat to the entire universe

also how about time baby just drinking time which is evidently a physical thing rather than hax

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Chain event? What?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Reality warping scales to AP, just not durability.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

I still think his surviving the destruction of the second dimension should scale to something

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Chain event? What?

He wouldn't have personaly destroyed the universe/multiverse. He would have only broken the rules so hard that it would have all fallen apart on its own.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Surviving 2D destruction is just 11-A.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Reality warping scales to AP, just not durability.

No, it's case by case. In this case, all he does that would be multiversal in reality warping is removing the laws of reality, which is not AP aplicable.