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It could match Leon’s Base Charizard in its base formwhy are we scaling eternatus to the CTor are we just upscaling from cynthia or smthn
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It could match Leon’s Base Charizard in its base formwhy are we scaling eternatus to the CTor are we just upscaling from cynthia or smthn
oh, i thought there was some mega statement of eternatus being the gigachad of pokemon or smthn, though tbf the games have statements of it being the "strongest pokemon"It could match Leon’s Base Charizard in its base form
The games have that statement yeah, though it seems Mewtwo is the bearer of that statement in the animeoh, i thought there was some mega statement of eternatus being the gigachad of pokemon or smthn, though tbf the games have statements of it being the "strongest pokemon"
Literally PP is one of the reasons as to why we are differentiating the canons, it doesn't matter if it's just portrayed as stamina when its going against a lot of the reasons from the first thread either from differentiating abilities (arceus plates mechanincs being an example of this with avatars)
The legend plate doesn't allow him to do that, it changes his type automatically when he uses judgement to combat the other pokemon, my point is that the mechanics of the avatars are different per universe and they shouldn't be the same as it is literally why the whole crt exists in the first place because the pokemon differentiate between universes and should not change, i do concede slightly on only using more that 1 plate in the anime but again there are differences for how he equips plates which again are a different mechanic, the legend plate being a separate item that does it automatically via a specific move while the other plates are more manual in the games while the anime just has him transform when attacked
That’s already been applied.if we should wait for the "rpg progression upgrade" thread
I guess we should start applying game canon stuff? Although someone should prolly sandbox the new tiers/justifications for the normal Pokemon and legendaries first, just to be sure that everything is applied properly.I've compiled all the game feats at least, some of which are Pokedex entries and are thus valid across all canons going by the standards of Ayewale's blog
I can probably work on that at some point, though I’m also tied up with other threadsI guess we should start applying game canon stuff? Although someone should prolly sandbox the new tiers/justifications for the normal Pokemon and legendaries first, just to be sure that everything is applied properly.
deciding what the featless legendaries will scale toWhat do we even need to do right now? I'm genuinely unsure at the moment
I've compiled all the game feats at least, some of which are Pokedex entries and are thus valid across all canons going by the standards of Ayewale's blog
They currently scale to Low 6-B, is there any lower we can go?deciding what the featless legendaries will scale to
Mewtwo has scaling feats to gen 6, he is not in the problem, the birds have feats on their own, so we scale them to that, i propose we just scaling the featless to the earliest point the main character can fight them, mewtwo would be tier 6 due to him fighting the gen 6 protag in post game, we can from thereI only care about Ash, that’s why I’m here
It’s really tricky tbh. We either end up with a comically lowballed Mewtwo or a comically busted set of birds
The birds are a problem thoughMewtwo has scaling feats to gen 6, he is not in the problem, the birds have feats on their own, so we scale them to that, i propose we just scaling the featless to the earliest point the main character can fight them, mewtwo would be tier 6 due to him fighting the gen 6 protag in post game, we can from there
This is one of the reasons I suggested that we scale the legends to when they’re fought in the region they originate from
I mean, if there is actually a statement of Mewtwo being the strongest Pokémon in FR/LG, we could scale him above the likes of Lugia, Ho-Oh and Deoxys, since they‘re event Pokémon in those games.Not even gonna lie, the main thing holding me back from that is that Mewtwo being only 6-C just feels so wrong
The 2nd one definitely implicates it way more than the 1st, considering other event legendaries in HeartGold yet its battle abilities are referred to as being of the ultimate level in comparison.So, the closest things I’ve found to Mewtwo being stated as the strongest are these statements:
”MEWTWO is far too powerful. We have failed to curb its vicious tendencies…” from the Pokemon Mansion journals in FR/LG.
”Because its battle abilities were raised to the ultimate level, it thinks only of defeating its foes.” from its Pokedex entries in Gold and HeartGold.
I mean… yeah, because they’re the same Pokémon. Unless I missed something, Cynthia doesn’t have info analysis, she can’t just tell how strong a Pokémon is by looking at it.Especially when Cynthia directly afterward describes them aa no different from the one she knows of.
just make them a new sinoh key, like, no one ever brought a good problem with that, the birds are in another region, what stops the ones from sinoh specifically to being stronger than the ones in past?The birds are a problem though
Mewtwo is supposedly the strongest Pokemon (in Kanto at least) yet these random ass birds are like infinitely above him if we scale them to 2-B to 2-A via being fought after Giratina
rayquaza only scales to 5-B in mega form now, base is tier 6The one thing with the HeartGold statement is that the Creation Trio are event legends in that game, but they’re also newborn, so I don’t know how that would work out with the scaling.
Aside from that though, it’d scale Mewtwo above Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza, so High 6-A or 5-B (I’m not entirely sure where Rayquaza is scaling).
Okay, so then High 6-A Mewtwo.rayquaza only scales to 5-B in mega form now, base is tier 6
Trainers becoming strong enough to contend with legends is one thing but wild Pokémon… not so much. You really gonna tell me these wild birds are stronger than the Creation Trio?just make them a new sinoh key, like, no one ever brought a good problem with that, the birds are in another region, what stops the ones from sinoh specifically to being stronger than the ones in past?