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Can you link the feats/calcs that the birds have?the birds have feats on their own
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Can you link the feats/calcs that the birds have?the birds have feats on their own
I'm unsure.I have a couple of questions...
So, are the Ultra Beasts still going to be 3-C?
Would Anime Mewtwo scale to World Champion Ash? (Since last time Mewtwo fought ash, it was WAY before he became champion)
Is Mega Rayquaza still 3-C?
And what about 50% and Complete Zygard? (50% fought Mega Mewtwo X, while Complete Zygard fought Ultra Necrozma in the Manga Respectively. I'm not sure what Zygard does in the anime and games.)
I think so, in the games and manga at leastSo, are the Ultra Beasts still going to be 3-C?
Same tier but different scaling chainWould Anime Mewtwo scale to World Champion Ash? (Since last time Mewtwo fought ash, it was WAY before he became champion)
NoIs Mega Rayquaza still 3-C?
Only in the mangaAnd what about 50% and Complete Zygard? (50% fought Mega Mewtwo X, while Complete Zygard fought Ultra Necrozma in the Manga Respectively. I'm not sure what Zygard does in the anime and games.)
Groudon and Kyogre aren’t event Pokemon though, they’re just very late post-game, since you can only catch them after you beat Red.Legendaries include Event Pokemon from those like Groudon/Kyogre, to Avatar Arceus.
It is not "becoming stronger" it is just the birds who live in sinoh are stronger since they have higher featsTrainers becoming strong enough to contend with legends is one thing but wild Pokémon… not so much. You really gonna tell me these wild birds are stronger than the Creation Trio?
Well, moltres scorging the sky, i would need to go over the earlier pages to show it to youCan you link the feats/calcs that the birds have?
Random birds beat the Creation Trio?It is not "becoming stronger" it is just the birds who live in sinoh are stronger since they have higher feats
Well, we kinda need it for the birds‘ AP justification lolWell, moltres scorging the sky, i would need to go over the earlier pages to show it to you
So? They have feats do they not? So they scale, they are legendaries still, they face the protag after they dealt with the creation trio, no reaso for them not to scale, they are really clear cutRandom birds beat the Creation Trio?
They’re not even main legendaries
Once i go to my pc i will check the earlier pages, but clover was the one who did it iircWell, we kinda need it for the birds‘ AP justification lol
It's an outlier compared to literally all their other showings, also I don't think there's been any support to making separate keys for each regionSo? They have feats do they not? So they scale, they are legendaries still, they face the protag after they dealt with the creation trio, no reaso for them not to scale, they are really clear cut
the sinoh birds only have this showing, it is their only featIt's an outlier compared to literally all their other showings
well i am just suggesting, also I don't think there's been any support to making separate keys for each region
But it being "their only showing" relies on the acceptance of this splitting into multiple keys. Can't speak for others, but I don't agree with it. These are species profiles so it really doesn't make sensethe sinoh birds only have this showing, it is their only feat
well i am just suggesting
some individuals of the species can be stronger then others, we already do that with some species like bewear and pikachu'sBut it being "their only showing" relies on the acceptance of this splitting into multiple keys. Can't speak for others, but I don't agree with it. These are species profiles so it really doesn't make sense
Those are special cases like the Bewear taking care of Team Rocket and Ash's Pikachu, we don't just make special cases for any Pokemon that doesn't follow the standard. Outliers existsome individuals of the species can be stronger then others, we already do that with some species like bewear and pikachu's
that is an even simpler solution then, just ignore the sinoh birds since they are not worthy of having anything really, problem solved, mewtwo is the exact same and doesn't have contradictions, so he can safely scale to gen 6Those are special cases like the Bewear taking care of Team Rocket and Ash's Pikachu, we don't just make special cases for any Pokemon that doesn't follow the standard. Outliers exist
Or we can just scale Mewtwo to his own statement of being the strongest in HG/SS.that is an even simpler solution then, just ignore the sinoh birds since they are not worthy of having anything really, problem solved, mewtwo is the exact same and doesn't have contradictions, so he can safely scale to gen 6
i mean, that would be true regardless with what i proposed wouldn't it?Or we can just scale Mewtwo to his own statement of being the strongest in HG/SS.
in the games i meanI believe it came from the Power of One movie?
Zygarde's percentages should scale linearly and 50% Zygarde is comparable to Xerneas and Yveltal, so 10% is 1/5 as strong and 100% is 2x strongerI filled out Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Groudon, Regigigas, Xerneas and Yveltal’s justifications, y’all feel free to fill out other justifications that are agreed upon.LordTracer/Legendary Scaling (Games)
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It originated from the anime but it's an accepted part of the lore nowadays, I mean look at Bulbapediain the games i mean
And what would be the justification for that? Is it just that he’s part of the Tao Trio with them, or is there something else?50% Zygarde is comparable to Xerneas and Yveltal
bulbapedia is a fan site, if we were to put that in the profiles we need to find the source in the games, or game conected media, and then use itIt originated from the anime but it's an accepted part of the lore nowadays, I mean look at Bulbapedia
And what would be the justification for that? Is it just that he’s part of the Tao Trio with them, or is there something else?
Iirc it's accepted on this wiki too, imo it just makes sense for Lugia to be the trio master of the birdsbulbapedia is a fan site, if we were to put that in the profiles we need to find the source in the games, or game conected media, and then use it
I'm only fine with upscalingZygarde's percentages should scale linearly and 50% Zygarde is comparable to Xerneas and Yveltal, so 10% is 1/5 as strong and 100% is 2x stronger
it is accepted, but based on what? with the cannon split the movie can't be used to justify it, we need some evidence if we are going to use that as a justificationIirc it's accepted on this wiki too, imo it just makes sense for Lugia to be the trio master of the birds
The Tao Trio is Gen 5 but I digress
It’s really not a huge deal, Lugia scales from its own feat.it is accepted, but based on what? with the cannon split the movie can't be used to justify it, we need some evidence if we are going to use that as a justification
In my opinion, this is pretty unsupported. What other series do is pretty irrelevant, especially in this case where it only has its 10%, 50%, and 100% forms, which are noticeable differences in powerI'm only fine with upscaling
99% of the time small percentage increases in fiction result in massive physical differences in power
So I'd rather just scale 10% Zygarde to whatever we scale the weakest legendries too or if he has a feat in that form scale it to that
2x increase for his 100% form seems good though
However that's just my opinion
You misunderstand. The canon split only disallows cross-scaling, but general information like this is fair gameit is accepted, but based on what? with the cannon split the movie can't be used to justify it, we need some evidence if we are going to use that as a justification
I get that but trends in fiction are trends for a reasonIn my opinion, this is pretty unsupported. What other series do is pretty irrelevant, especially in this case where it only has its 10%, 50%, and 100% forms, which are noticeable differences in power
but why?You misunderstand. The canon split only disallows cross-scaling, but general information like this is fair game
i know i know, i just want to be sure on the information side of thingsAlso Lugia has a calc that would place it way above the birds anyway, so it's not as if this affects anything
=3=Is Lusamine profile get fixed?
Don't ask me, I wasn't there for the initial threadbut why?
Definitely should be