Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 2: Getting to work

[Ego]

you mean the pis filled movie where they are overpowered by him and he is weakened?

Why would the CT be that much weaker and affected by the PIS?

 

[Ego]

Did we just forget eternal battle reverie exist?

I don't know what that is

 

[CloverDragon03]

Nothing in the game even says this normal human gets it's stats amps or some secret super Saiyan boost

Physical training would be far from a farfetched concept given the sheer danger that Pokemon present in this time period

 

[Ego]

Physical training would be far from a farfetched concept given the sheer danger that Pokemon present in this time period

How do you physically train yourself to take more damage?

No man on earth can train themselves to blow up a planet with a punch
No one can physically train themselves to take a Multiversal explosion

 

[Omegabronic]

How do you physically train yourself to take more damage?

No man on earth can train themselves to blow up a planet with a punch
No one can physically train themselves to take a Multiversal explosion

is a boxer stronger than the avarage untrained person? all they do is train, same logic here

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I mean, Hareta can physically affect the creation trio, so it's not that weird

 

[Omegabronic]

btw what's left to do in this thread? decide what legendaries with no feats scale to?

 

[Omegabronic]

Why would the CT be that much weaker and affected by the PIS?

arceus is weakened in the movie, that is reason enough for none of them to scale to him

 

[CloverDragon03]

How do you physically train yourself to take more damage?

No man on earth can train themselves to blow up a planet with a punch
No one can physically train themselves to take a Multiversal explosion

Simple answer: it's fiction

 

[Ego]

is a boxer stronger than the avarage untrained person? all they do is train, same logic here

They only improve on their skill

 

[Ego]

arceus is weakened in the movie, that is reason enough for none of them to scale to him

If that's the case then Arceus shouldn't be even tier 2 because Arceus doesn't get affect by canon split and Arceus was killed by a planetary meteor

 

[Ego]

arceus is weakened in the movie, that is reason enough for none of them to scale to him

And the Creation trio was not weak in the movie

 

[Omegabronic]

And the Creation trio was not weak in the movie

but arceus was

 

[Ego]

but arceus was

Not really when it can beat up the creation trio

 

[Omegabronic]

Not really when it can beat up the creation trio

that has nothing to do with the fact that it was weakened

 

[Ego]

that has nothing to do with the fact that it was weakened

It was weakened but can still but the CT on a T shirt?

What?

 

[Omegabronic]

It was weakened but can still but the CT on a T shirt?

What?

yes, he is just that much superior to them

 

[Ego]

The only part where it was weak is when it couldn't destroy a meteor which we made clear was PIS and shouldn't be used to scale or downgrade Arceus (I'm about to lose my mind the next time someone mentions that meteor to downgrade Arceus...)

 

[Ego]

yes, he is just that much superior to them

He couldn't kill them while bloodlust tho

The CT was still strong enough to hold their own against Arceus

 

[CloverDragon03]

I don't care much for this debate in particular to be honest but if the CT become Low 1-C then that means Low 1-C Journeys Ash which will be absolutely hilarious in the best way possible

 

[Omegabronic]

He couldn't kill them while bloodlust tho

The CT was still strong enough to hold their own against Arceus

a weakened arceus who has no reason to be low 1-c since he is weakened

 

[Ego]

a weakened arceus who has no reason to be low 1-c since he is weakened

 

[Omegabronic]

 

[CloverDragon03]

Did Arceus have all its Plates in the movie when it was battling the Creation Trio?

If so, the Creation Trio should be Low 1-C
If not, nothing changes

I say this only for the movie though because the movie is the only case where this PIS-filled limitation exists

 

[y3p_owo]

Did Arceus have all its Plates in the movie when it was battling the Creation Trio?

If so, the Creation Trio should be Low 1-C
If not, nothing changes

I say this only for the movie though because the movie is the only case where this PIS-filled limitation exists

I don't think so since iirc, Ash and co needed to go back in time to get the Jewel of Life, which last time I checked had some of his plates in it.

 

[Ego]

Not to mention at battle reverie after you beat Arceus you straight up rematch the CT and the Lake trio at full power

 

[CloverDragon03]

Not to mention at battle reverie after you beat Arceus you straight up rematch the CT and the Lake trio at full power

That would create a rating like this:

2-B, likely 2-A, Low 1-C with Origin Form

Which, I mean, is better than nothing at least.

 

[Ego]

And Arceus fighting the creation trio was only missing one plate and all the plates could do was negate attacks in the movies which was pretty annoying for the CT to deal with

 

[Ego]

That would create a rating like this:

2-B, likely 2-A, Low 1-C with Origin Form

Which, I mean, is better than nothing at least.

The lake trio was also involved and the CT base forms are as powerful or more powerful than the lake trio at full power

 

[Ego]

That would create a rating like this:

2-B, likely 2-A, Low 1-C with Origin Form

Which, I mean, is better than nothing at least.

The lake trio was also involved and the CT base forms are as powerful or more powerful than the lake trio at full power

 

[CloverDragon03]

The lake trio was also involved and the CT base forms are as powerful or more powerful than the lake trio at full power

This is also kinda iffy because Arceus also summons other random wild Pokemon. Are they Low 1-C as well?

 

[Ego]

This is also kinda iffy because Arceus also summons other random wild Pokemon. Are they Low 1-C as well?

If it's made by Arceus to fight the end game player then why not

They aren't the real thing anyways just like how unown creates a completely different Entei

Besides Arceus has high levels of creation

 

[CloverDragon03]

If it's made by Arceus to fight the end game player then why not

They aren't the real thing anyways just like how unown creates a completely different Entei

Besides Arceus has high levels of creation

Then why can't it simply be assumed that Arceus is creating versions of the CT and Lake Trio that are stronger than the originals?

 

[Ego]

Then why can't it simply be assumed that Arceus is creating versions of the CT and Lake Trio that are stronger than the originals?

I mean Arceus created them from the start so basically anything made from Arceus should scale to the player
There is no original version of them because Arceus would always make new ones of them
So their power could vary
I mean in the games Arceus straights up use unown to make more of the CT and Lake trio

 

[Ego]

Their scaling should be 2-B, likely 2-A to low 1-C

 

[Sniper670]

Their scaling should be 2-B, likely 2-A to low 1-C, higher in Origin Form

 

[Ego]

That's better
The lake trio too

 

[Ego]

But would their true form also be low 1-C?

 

[y3p_owo]

But would their true form also be low 1-C?

Yes, that's what the higher is there.

 

[Ego]

Yes, that's what the higher is there.

We meant for the origin form that's higher because the origin form is stronger than their uh...base form?