Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 2: Getting to work

[TheGreatMaster12]

Ngl this is edging on theory-crafting. I can see the reasoning for it though, so I am neutral on this for now

How it's theory-crafting when it's obvious lore presented for the game? Eternatus comes in a meteor, Calyrex saved an entire forest from a meteor that it predicted that would come, Calyrex then proceeds to fought something that let it incredibly harmed, people from Freezington encounter the wounded Calyrex, they heal it but were forced to have their hands closed because seeing open palms make Calyrex have PTSD, Eternatus on its Eternamax form has the appearance of an open palm.
They also found Calyrex coming from the north of Freezington, the Max Lair (which is the place with the highest amount of Dynamax energy in all Galar, energy that originated from Eternatus itself) is at the north of Freezington, and coincidentally looks like a giant crater of a meteor....
Like, is so obvious, or do you want the game to explicitly say ''Calyrex fought Eternamax Eternatus 20000 years ago when it arrived on the meteor''? Because if you can't accept basic lore as proof, then the Creation Trio having supposedly ''True forms'' is a huge show of hypocrisy of you, because there's nothing that explicitly says that the Creation Trio that we see are just avatars and y'all are just using theories as evidence for that

 

[CloverDragon03]

How it's theory-crafting when it's obvious lore presented for the game, Eternatus comes in a meteor, Calyrex saved an entire forest from a that it predicted that would come, Calyrex then proceeds to fought something that let it incredibly harmed, people encounter the wounded Calyrex, they heal it but were forced to have their hands closed because seeing open palms make Calyrex have PTSD, Eternatus on its Eternamax form has the appearance of an open palm

How do we know it's the same meteor that Eternatus arrived on, for example?

 

[Sniper670]

How it's theory-crafting when it's obvious lore presented for the game? Eternatus comes in a meteor, Calyrex saved an entire forest from a meteor that it predicted that would come, Calyrex then proceeds to fought something that let it incredibly harmed, people from Freezington encounter the wounded Calyrex, they heal it but were forced to have their hands closed because seeing open palms make Calyrex have PTSD, Eternatus on its Eternamax form has the appearance of an open palm.
They also found Calyrex coming from the north of Freezington, the Max Lair (which is the place with the highest amount of Dynamax energy in all Galar, energy that originated from Eternatus itself) is at the north of Freezington, and coincidentally looks like a giant crater of a meteor....
Like, is so obvious, or do you want the game to explicitly say ''Calyrex fought Eternamax Eternatus 20000 years ago when it arrived on the meteor''? Because if you can't accept basic lore as proof, then the Creation Trio having supposedly ''True forms'' is a huge show of hypocrisy of you, because there's nothing that explicitly says that the Creation Trio that we see are just avatars and y'all are just using theories as evidence for that

This fits "Likely" perfectly

 

[Ego]

Should the trainer of dpp be tier 2 to low 1-C?

Because we see them pretty much beat and catch the avatars of Giratina and Arceus

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Should the trainer of dpp be tier 2 to low 1-C?

Because we see them pretty much beat and catch the avatars of Giratina and Arceus

Same tier as PLA's Protag.

 

[Ego]

Same tier as PLA's Protag.

Ok so would this also make the CT low 1-C? Or not because the trainer got stronger after beating them

 

[CloverDragon03]

Ok so would this also make the CT low 1-C? Or not because the trainer got stronger after beating them

Trainer got stronger

 

[Ego]

Trainer got stronger

What if they used the CT to fight Arceus because they caught them?

 

[CloverDragon03]

What if they used the CT to fight Arceus because they caught them?

That has no bearing on the CT themselves, because a Trainer-owned Pokemon > that Pokemon's wild equivalent

 

[Ego]

That has no bearing on the CT themselves, because a Trainer-owned Pokemon > that Pokemon's wild equivalent

Why when Cyrus catches them they become all the way low 2-C?

 

[Ego]

And another question

Shouldn't Arceus avatar be as powerful as the true form? (6D)

 

[Ego]

That has no bearing on the CT themselves, because a Trainer-owned Pokemon > that Pokemon's wild equivalent

And Legendary Pokemon are not that much of wild Pokemon ( far stronger than wild Pokémon)

 

[Omegabronic]

And another question

Shouldn't Arceus avatar be as powerful as the true form? (6D)

no, why would it?

And Legendary Pokemon are not that much of wild Pokemon ( far stronger than wild Pokémon)

they are just stronger wild pokemon, still wild and trainable pokemon

 

[Ego]

no, why would it?


they are just stronger wild pokemon, still wild and trainable pokemon

Wouldn't it be powered up with 6D power or energy because the true form has 6D creation? Why wouldn't the true form create a 6D avatar if itself if the creation trio can make 4D avatars of themselves who are 4D themselves

And the CT and Arceus aren't being affected by the canon split shouldn't the creation trio scale to Arceus who they can take hits from and damage each other?

What is a wild Pokémon though?

 

[Omegabronic]

Wouldn't it be powered up with 6D power or energy because the true form has 6D creation? Why wouldn't the true form create a 6D avatar if itself if the creation trio can make 4D avatars of themselves who are 4D themselves

this assumes that it can create 6D characters, we scale avatars based on what the avatar did, plain and simple

And the CT and Arceus aren't being affected by the canon split shouldn't the creation trio scale to Arceus who they can take hits from and damage each other?

when did they?

What is a wild Pokémon though?

a pokemon who was not trained by a trainer or at all

 

[Ego]

this assumes that it can create 6D characters, we scale avatars based on what the avatar did, plain and simple

What are the examples?

when did they?

In the Arceus movie (Please on dear Arceus do not bring up any PIS like the meteor...)

a pokemon who was not trained by a trainer or at all

Ok so shouldn't Cyrus be 2-B to 2-A because trained Pokémon are different than caught Pokémon?
And The CT are again not just wild animals they're deities who are above normal pokemon like even Darkrai

 

[Sniper670]

That makes sense.

Wouldn't it be powered up with 6D power or energy because the true form has 6D creation? Why wouldn't the true form create a 6D avatar if itself if the creation trio can make 4D avatars of themselves who are 4D themselves

That makes sense

And the CT and Arceus aren't being affected by the canon split shouldn't the creation trio scale to Arceus who they can take hits from and damage each other?

Sure. Low 1C for Dialga and Palkia.

They can take hits and damage the player who could fight Arceus and beat him

 

[Sniper670]

In the Arceus movie (Please on dear Arceus do not bring up any PIS like the meteor...)

Agreed

Ok so shouldn't Cyrus be 2-B to 2-A because trained Pokémon are different than caught Pokémon?
And The CT are again not just wild animals they're deities who are above normal pokemon like even Darkrai

Their depictions are as inconsistent as cab be. In DP no Pokémon or man could hope to beat them, in some instances you have swinub one shotting one of them

 

[Omegabronic]

just to say that they wouldn't scale because of PLA since arceus is the final boss of the post game, no one outside of the player would scale

 

[CloverDragon03]

Why when Cyrus catches them they become all the way low 2-C?

Iirc that was dealt with in another CRT but it hasn't been applied

 

[Sniper670]

just to say that they wouldn't scale because of PLA since arceus is the final boss of the post game, no one outside of the player would scale

They would.

Giratina is a Post Game Pokémon that can still take hits and dish them out

 

[Omegabronic]

They would.

Giratina is a Post Game Pokémon that can still take hits and dish them out

yeah but arceus is the final boss you do after capturing every pokemon and fully explored hisui for said pokemon, he is the end, the peak, the final chalange after everything else in the game

 

[Sniper670]

yeah but arceus is the final boss you do after capturing every pokemon and fully explored hisui for said pokemon, he is the end, the peak, the final chalange after everything else in the game

Player Attained Arceus on his team and went on to fight Giratina head on. CT scale to low 1C for this reason.

 

[Omegabronic]

Player Attained Arceus on his team and went on to fight Giratina head on.

what? arceus fight happens only after you captured all pokemon available in husui, including giratina that is only available after the volo fight

 

[Sniper670]

what? arceus fight happens only after you captured all pokemon available in husui, including giratina that is only available after the volo fight

The CT can fight the player who was able to fight Arceus

NB: The Origin Forms are much more powerful than their base forms because all the player had to do was to calm them down and could not beat them into submission

 

[CloverDragon03]

what? arceus fight happens only after you captured all pokemon available in husui, including giratina that is only available after the volo fight

This. You don't ever fight Giratina after fighting Arceus

 

[Ego]

The player by himself doesn't get any power amps or anything like that when fighting the origin forms of Dialga and Palkia and then by himself could trade blows with Arceus and beat it

The player doesn't just amplify his/her stats like that

 

[Sniper670]

The player by himself doesn't get any power amps or anything like that when fighting the origin forms of Dialga and Palkia and then by himself could trade blows with Arceus and beat it

The player doesn't just amplify his/her stats like that

I agree with you on that one

 

[CloverDragon03]

The player by himself doesn't get any power amps or anything like that when fighting the origin forms of Dialga and Palkia and then by himself could trade blows with Arceus and beat it

The player doesn't just amplify his/her stats like that

By this logic, the Noble Pokemon, hell even any Pokemon in general as they can all hurt the player, are also Low 1-C

The player taking hits from Origin Dialga/Palkia and then only later being able to take hits from Arceus is enough to indicate a growth in durability

 

[Ego]

By this logic, the Noble Pokemon, hell even any Pokemon in general as they can all hurt the player, are also Low 1-C

The player taking hits from Origin Dialga/Palkia and then only later being able to take hits from Arceus is enough to indicate a growth in durability

TBH noble Pokémon are powered up usually

 

[Ego]

Also the fact that normal wild Pokémon are not excactly boss fights in the game

Perhaps we should only scale the boss fight Pokémon

 

[CloverDragon03]

Also the fact that normal wild Pokémon are not excactly boss fights in the game

Perhaps we should only scale the boss fight Pokémon

Instead of making these arbitrary restrictions, it's much easier to assume the player got stronger

 

[Omegabronic]

Instead of making these arbitrary restrictions, it's much easier to assume the player got stronger

just like in any rpg there is

 

[Ego]

Instead of making these arbitrary restrictions, it's much easier to assume the player got stronger

Nothing in the game even says this normal human gets it's stats amps or some secret super Saiyan boost

 

[Omegabronic]

Nothing in the game even says this normal human gets it's stats amps or some secret super Saiyan boost

training is a thing, you know?

 

[Ego]

training is a thing, you know?

Training to improve skill or power?

 

[Omegabronic]

Training to improve skill or power?

both

 

[Ego]

They should still get their low 1-C upgrade because they can fight Arceus in the movie and each other

 

[Sniper670]

They should still get their low 1-C upgrade because they can fight Arceus in the movie and each other

Did we just forget eternal battle reverie exist?

 

[Omegabronic]

They should still get their low 1-C upgrade because they can fight Arceus in the movie and each other

you mean the pis filled movie where they are overpowered by him and he is weakened?