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Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 2: Getting to work
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Girafarig is already considered middle-stage so idk what to tell you. This is nothing new
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Scaling for wild Pokémon is way too wack in the anime tbh
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I see no reason why we would consider Girafarig to be a special case compared to other middle stages, so if it’s 7-A, the other middle stages should be as well.
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Some of his Pokemon in certain seasons aren't the same tier, so I suggest working on profiles for all his individual Pokemon before even starting on Ash's tiering
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WHy is girafarig 7-A
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Its considered a 1st stage pokemon due to only having one evolution
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So it would be 7-A Is that not what was agreed on? High 7-C Baby pokemon, Low 7-B Basic, 7-A First Stage, and High 7-A Second Stage?
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Why is Girafarig first stage because it only has 1 evolution? How do you know Pokemon with only 1 evolution are comparable to Pokemon who are first staged? There needs to be some kind of confirmation, like a feat from a Pokedex or two
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Why are baby Pokemon high 7-C?
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Upscaling from Cleffa's 8-A+ durability feat, Pichu's and Elekid's capacity to learn Thunder, and Magby's capacity to learn Sunny Day
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What anti feats do Pokemon have that make seismic toss, morning sun and moonlight an outlier
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This is quite literally not feasible
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It is. I think not doing individual profiles for Ash's pokemon would make the Ash profile incomplete
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It’s 1/10th as powerful as Farigiraf, which is High 7-A by scaling to other fully evolved Pokémon.
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Not only am I not gonna be the one to bother with that, but at the end of a journey, Ash’s Pokémon in that respective season are around the level depicted on his profile
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Proof of all of them being that tier? Some of his Pokemon are just a lot stronger than the other ones on his team during certain seasons. And again that would make the profile pretty incomplete
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A lot of Ash's Pokemon do have a strength disparity of some degree, yes. However, even though I'm not a big anime fan, and as such, not the best qualified in bringing this up, Ash own's well over 70 pokemon. That would be a ludicrous number of Profiles that could instead be treated as Key's for the sake of the profiles (IE Kalos Pikachu Key, Greninja Key, Ash Greninja Key, etc (Just a example)). I also doubt that they differ too much in physical stats compared to one another in the grand scheme of things- Or rather, I doubt that a good majority aren't at least relative.
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That's why I think making individual profiles is much better, then for each key its "his pokemon are from this tier to this tier". We do something similar for Squall's second last key. I can make profiles for some of Ash's individual Pokemon, just the P&A section for now
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That's the argument for freaking 7-C Baby Pokémon? Then I strongly disagree, I'm to call a mod here to stop this madness without actual proof.
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Non-staff can’t ping anyone, you have to go to their message wall to contact them.
Now, I don’t know where High 7-C is coming from, the only calc we have listed for baby Pokemon is Cleffa’s meteor, which is 8-C.
Now, I don’t know where High 7-C is coming from, the only calc we have listed for baby Pokemon is Cleffa’s meteor, which is 8-C.
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Baby Pokemon scale to seismic toss
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All his team members for each team (with some exceptions like JN Greninja) are relative to one another. They often fight opponents that can harm the others.
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Not true, this is definitely just a lazy assumption. If you want the profile to not be incomplete, you should explain the scaling and feats
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Do you have any actual proof against this though? Personal beliefs aren’t enough to grab a staff member
Sounds like some “but they’re BABY Pokémon, they can’t be that strong” type stuff, even though early stage Pokémon are already Low 7-B thanks to Rhyhorn
Responding to an actual argument with just “no” is not gonna convince anyone. The only major exceptions to this are Pikachu in each series and Greninja in Journeys. We’re not making a bunch of profiles for something as unnecessary as this.
Both of you need to actually substantiate your claims instead of arguing from nothing but personal beliefs
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You didn't prove your claim, why do I have to? That's a weird double standard. You also used personal beliefs
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Example 1: At the Unova League, Ash’s Snivy was able to do noticeable damage to Cameron’s newly-evolved Lucario, which could also match and eventually defeat Pikachu. Even Unfezant could take multiple hits from that Riolu, which was able to fight said Snivy
Example 2: Ash’s Talonflame was able to defeat Wulfric’s Avalugg, which could defeat an unmastered Ash-Greninja
Example 3: Kukui’s Empoleon can fight and match Ash’s Pikachu, who can fight Tapu Koko, and Melmetal was able to defeat it
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Cleffa’s feat is 8-C iirc and I’m not really sure about the other two
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i know about the weather moves but what 8-A+ dura feat are you reffering to
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My main issue with using weather moves is that they’re not really combat applicable. That is to say, they aren’t direct attacks
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i personally dont really see the problem with stuff like this, no reason for weather related moves to be thousands of times stronger than the rest of any given pokemons attacks
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That's how all weather feats are though.
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Can any baby Pokémon learn Rain Dance? Because by this logic, they’d be Low 7-B to 7-B
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Nope, not by level up, at least.
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None of the babies can learn Rain Dance by level up, but a handful of first stages can, like Poliwag, Shellos and Finneon. So if we decide to use the weather moves for AP, it could probably be support for Low 7-B first stages.
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