Goku's precognition was removed?

[Yobo_Blue]

Part of the problem is that usually in this sort of case this sort of precog is treated special in Verse compared to others as well.

 

[Wokistan]

Well Goku is special in verse for being really adaptive and really good at fighting. Dudes can be treated as special due to skill, and enhanced senses and info analysis can still be used.

 

[ProudLearner]

Well Goku is special in verse for being really adaptive and really good at fighting. Dudes can be treated as special due to skill, and enhanced senses and info analysis can still be used.

Should we add adaptation and Info analysis for Goku or is it too controversial?

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Wokistan and Medeus. We probably need a revision thread for cases such as this.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

This definitely isn't precognition in any shape or form. It's just Goku predicting Hit, as a martial artist. However, it does seem that it fits the definition of precognition on the wiki.

 

[KLOL506]

I think we should make prediction of movements into its own page.

 

[Antvasima]

I think we should make prediction of movements into its own page.

That seems like a good idea.

 

[KLOL506]

For example, some characters in fiction can detect danger and predict+dodge attacks even when their other senses or other supernatural powers (though those powers can sometimes help) don't detect it or are blocked off. And sometimes they do, so we can probably even add the various types of Movement Prediction.

Sometimes, their other powers can even allow them to make accurate simulations of future events. And some weird examples include hearing a specific sound in their heads while danger is approaching or lurking nearby, a sound no one else can hear if they don't have the power.

And of course, this would immensely help inanimate objects who don't have senses to begin with.

In all essence, I believe a page for Movement Prediction/Danger Sensing is an absolute must.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

In full honesty, it seems like predicting other people's movements would fall under some ability pertaining to Combat Expert or whatever. Goku's ability to predict Hit is almost certainly due to his martial arts mastery rather than any special ability that he has.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Why does it have to be a special ability tho?

 

[KLOL506]

Why does it have to be a special ability tho?

Because of the ability to sense an attack from the future coming at them without the need of thinking it through, their special powers make it up for them.

And of course, there's the whole danger sensing.

 

[ProudLearner]

I think we should make prediction of movements into its own page.

I agreed. I proposed that new page above to @Wokistan which I got no response.

Movement Prediction its perfect for this type of stuff.

Beerus and the Angels have "Can Sense Killing Intent" would that count too?

 

[Antvasima]

Would some staff member here be willing to write a movement prediction page for us? I think that it would be very useful.

 

[ProudLearner]

Gogeta (Dragon Ball Super) and Vegito have Precognition on there page. Can someone remove them?

Antvasima, can a knowledgeable memeber create Movement Prediction page? Maybe KLOL506 can make a page if he is willing to make one?

While Wokista can edit the Precognition page. Don't know when he will do that though.

 

[ProudLearner]

Danger Sensing can be added in the Extrasensory Perception page

Extrasensory Perception need to be edited becuase is says "Precognition: Can be used to predict the opponent's movements."

 

[Antvasima]

@ProudLearner

Yes, experienced members can create power description pages, but they must create blog drafts that are accepted by the staff first.

@All staff members here

Help would be appreciated with handling all of this.

 

[KLOL506]

I'll wait for a more experienced member to make a page.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[ProudLearner]

I think I am going to make a blog page for Movement Predictio if there is no objection.

The more we wait the more pages you guys have to edit to remove Precognition from profiles that should not have it.

I have seen profiles that have kinda have the same wording as Goku's prediction that was removed.

Example:

Playable_Archer_(No_Name) Pseudo-Precognition (Can predict his opponent's actions due to his experience)

Naruto_Uzumaki_(Part_II) Limited Precognition (Able to sense other peoples negative emotions and dodge accordingly),

Dante_(Devil_May_Cry) Minor Precognition (With Alastor, capable of sensing incoming threats before they appeared, like Phantom and Nero Angelo; the latter was in a mirror dimension before he appeared);

many more like these..

All of these fall accordingly with Movement Predictio.

Sorry for the haste! I just get desperate with people procrastinating.

 

[KLOL506]

No problem.

 

[Antvasima]

Help is always appreciated. Feel free to create a page draft.

 

[ProudLearner]

Here is the blog about Movement Prediction that I created:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blogroudLearner/Movement_Prediction

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you, although the structure and language flow need some work.

 

[ProudLearner]

Thank you, although the structure and language flow need some work.

Indeed.

This is just a rough draft. Any mistakes will be fix in the final stages.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Feel free to improve on it then.

 

[Eficiente]

Hello. I wasn't following this thread but have a fundamental problem with this new power; It should not be limited to movements. It should allow to predict anything at a super human level, and thus it should be named Analytical Prediction, or something like that.

This is all based on the idea of accurately predicting stuff with no real Precognition, is it not? If so, good.

 

[ProudLearner]

Eficiente

Yes. This new ability has no Precognition to it.

 

[AKM sama]

I believe Garou also has precog for this reason.

Anyway here's the first thread on this matter for context: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1176773

 

[AKM sama]

Here is the blog about Movement Prediction that I created:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blogroudLearner/Movement_Prediction

That gif is Goku resisting Hit's time stop. You can probably use the one where Goku predicts Hit's attack in base or Super Saiyan Blue. Or you can use the dialogues where Goku explains it from the anime or manga.

 

[Eficiente]

If we go with Analytical Prediction, which we should, a pic or gif of Joseph Joestar would be far more appropriate as he makes use of the power all the time to the point of being his thing.

 

[ProudLearner]

That gif is Goku resisting Hit's time stop. You can probably use the one where Goku predicts Hit's attack in base or Super Saiyan Blue. Or you can use the dialogues where Goku explains it from the anime or manga.

Ok.

I have change it.

 

[KLOL506]

Hmmmmmmmmmm, so now we're looking for names for the ability, huh?

Either way, I have no problem adding this as a skill. It's just like Acrobatics IMHO.

 

[ProudLearner]

What should I add on Limitations?

 

[KLOL506]

Well, characters with unpredictable nature can make combat predictions incredibly difficult, and speedblitz is still a thing, there's also probably a limit to how much the brains can analyze (Though characters in fiction eventually overwhelm this) and that's about all I know of of the limitations.

 

[KLOL506]

As for revisions, most Assassin's Creed characters with Eagle Vision will get affected and have Analytical Prediction added instead, except in cases where some characters actually see the future/many alternate futures through and through (Which they do and it's supported by lore). In those cases they'll have both Precog and Analytical Prediction. Those with Eagle Vision and not having enough Isu genes to brute force their way into the future well enouh and only being able to predict combat moves without the need to think will have Analytical Prediction added.

A few characters from RDR2 will have it added too methinks.

 

[ProudLearner]

I am done.

If a staff member is willing to review to make sure its all good.

Let me know what should I edit to make it perfect.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blogroudLearner/Movement_Predictio

 

[Eficiente]

It should not be limited to movements. It should allow to predict anything at a super human level, and thus it should be named Analytical Prediction, or something like that.

This is all based on the idea of accurately predicting stuff with no real Precognition, is it not? If so, good.

• Taskmaster can predict both movements and actions without precog.
• Joseph Joestar can predict what a target is going to say next as well as its actions without precog.

I could give more examples if I care more, but seriously making a power like this that only targets movements is pretty dumb.

 

[Yuraga]

I agree with the OP FRA.

 

[KLOL506]

It should not be limited to movements. It should allow to predict anything at a super human level, and thus it should be named Analytical Prediction, or something like that.

This is all based on the idea of accurately predicting stuff with no real Precognition, is it not? If so, good.

• Taskmaster can predict both movements and actions without precog.
• Joseph Joestar can predict what a target is going to say next as well as its actions without precog.

I could give more examples if I care more, but seriously making a power like this that only targets movements is pretty dumb.

It wouldn't be limited only to movements, it would also span across other stuff like something going wrong with tech and the like.

 

[Eficiente]

You do know that that's just as limited, no?