Pretty sure I implied I agreed with that.
Except Whis literally taught him that skill before and he was unable to use it. He was only able to unlock the abilities under artificial conditions. By its very definition it cannot be considered a natural level of skill, at least initially.
Except we know training wasn't nearly enough for Goku to reach it since he trained with Whis long before the tournamnent. He had to endure the Spirit bomb to actually break his limits, which is not a skill feat by itself. Again, at least not initially.
Er....
Doing something, then saying you didn't do something while deleting your comment so no one can check whether or not you're statement is true is disingenuous. I just quoted the part of the post I found relevant. It doesn't change the fact that you contradicted yourself earlier.
That's the manga canon. This was never stated in the anime canon which we use, and was in fact contradicted.
This is the reason I was so confused earlier. You continue to contradict yourself. Ultra instinct is not some kind of Goku special. Whis is the one who taught him it in the first place and all the other angels probably have it to.
Yes, he was unable to before, not then. Said "artificial conditions" are not the cause of the transformation, they are the catalyst which is stated. The actual cause is Goku's body's potential which was released due to him breaking his limits. He just needed a push, and his body was able to unconciously learn the technique in response to the threat.
Yes, long before the tournament. Enduring the spirit bomb is not a skill feat, that's not even the argument I'm making, it's how his body went on to counter the spirit bomb.
What the hell are you talking about? I didn't delete anything. You said I said something while quoting me saying the contrary. In one of the paragraphs I just happen to not write the "easily" after the "attained".
Both anime and manga can be used in the OP. And anime beerus doesn't know UI anyway which makes it moot.
I did not contradict myself. And UI is not a Goku special, I didn't even imply that. I just said that pushing ones limits is not a criteria to unlock UI.
I'm waiting. I mean, my guy, instinctual movement is considered impressive for beings millions of years old. I very much doubt this verse has anything to top Garou's high end martial arts feats.
Throughout this thread, I have brought skill feats that rival or surpass Garou's. Just because garou exceeds Goku in one aspect does not mean he surpasses Goku. But that's a horrid example anyway because Goku's ultra instinct is very high above baseline. The scaling chain looks like this.
Baseline instinctive reaction = Beerus' shit UI < base Goku's UI <
SSJ < SSJ2 < SSJ3 < SSG < SSB < TOP UI sign < Mastered Ultra Instinct < moro arc UI < Granolah arc UI.
And it's feats are powerful enough
to make base Goku able to dodge attacks that SSJ vegeta had trouble with which is a 50x gap in speed.
Or do crazy shit like keep up with granolah who is much stronger and faster than him with the capability of one shotting him with a single attack by doing micro movements to prevent himself from getting hit. This would surpass garou fighting while asleep.
Anyway more feats.
DB characters can move fast enough to disappear from comparable opponents'ine of sight. This is done every time a snap vanish is used,
and as you probably know, literally every fighter, even novices, can keep up with fighters moving FTE to them.
Goku takes this by reacting to a literal glare the moment it happens from a much faster opponent. He takes this even further by dodging a kilometer wide blast at point blank range the moment it exploded.
This is also demonstrated when Goku overwhelms tien (an equal in speed fighter) who has 4 arms by doing a technique which makes his 2 arms appear like 8 arms which is basically 16 simultaneous attacks from one fighter.
Goku is also capable of skill stomping martial artist such as when he clapped king chappa and viewed him as fodder,
king chappa is considered stupendously skilled among master martial artists, and he won the entire budokai without getting tagged once by his opponents.
He also scales to matching roshi, the same person who skill stomped a 30 dan in kenpo which is insane scaling chain of stomps (I think an 8 dan is the highest level in real life or something I don't remember).
Korin skill stomped the shit out of roshi by preventing him from getting water and not getting touched for 3 years straight. Goku achieved the feat of getting the water from korin in only 3 days and surpassed korin.
There's more but I'm tired. That's enough.
