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Can you or anyone just explain what UI does? How hard is it to answer a simple question?
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Goku vs. Garou (Martial Arts Battle)
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Very impressive
.....I guess that's why no one would just tell me what it does.
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Hit skips time by 0.1 second. Goku predicted what would happen in 0.1 second. Garou has predicted over 4 movements ahead of someone who can blitz them with normal attacks.
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Just like Hit could blitz Base Goku with his normal attacks? Hit could blitz + skip time. Goku had to work around both to predict his movements.
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Fact for everyone thinking the dura negation is an instant-win button for Garou, but it is not.
In the [SPOILERS] DBS manga Goku has demonstrated being able to move his vitals around in his body in such a way to mitigate being crippled several times in a fight with someone outright stronger than him, but not more skilled. This would obviously buy him time. Given his fight with Gas and Hit, DBS Goku is very aware of his mortal body's weaknesses and does actually work to counter that in a fight. Whether that's solely because of ki or not hasn't been confirmed yet. Two separate, decent characters, with a handful of encounters, late in his life and Goku is still pulling out new ways to hang in there despite being on the backfoot.
Garou is going to need more than better senses and equalized stats to beat Goku.
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Mind the fact that Goku is nearly double the age and double the experience in martial arts and working out compared to Garou, he clearly has an understanding of the body, human, Saiyan or otherwise (see the numerous alien foes he defeats for reference).
Goku excelled at fighting before Garou even walked into a dojo, and was able to learn even difficult things in record time. Often for story reasons he picks it up instantly or it takes a while (Kamehameha vs Instant Transmission, a few seconds to perform identical to a master compare to months to become adept). Garou is also a near master at adapting and picking up things, but his actions clarify he is willing to drop how he fights if he thinks he can win (see him vs Saitama). He just goes to the deep end with a clear drop in skill, a literal death sentence for a fighter like Goku who capitalizes off his enemies getting sloppy (Piccolo, Freeza, Vegeta, etc)
Goku excelled at fighting before Garou even walked into a dojo, and was able to learn even difficult things in record time. Often for story reasons he picks it up instantly or it takes a while (Kamehameha vs Instant Transmission, a few seconds to perform identical to a master compare to months to become adept). Garou is also a near master at adapting and picking up things, but his actions clarify he is willing to drop how he fights if he thinks he can win (see him vs Saitama). He just goes to the deep end with a clear drop in skill, a literal death sentence for a fighter like Goku who capitalizes off his enemies getting sloppy (Piccolo, Freeza, Vegeta, etc)
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This Garou's durability negation engulfs the entire body, not just a particular part. Human Garou's durability negation is the one who targeted particular places on the body. Goku having better senses than CFM Garou is questionable but that may be true depending what he has done though I looked at Goku's profile and couldn't find anything too impressive besides the God Ki sensing which doesn't matter that much in this match. The match is already equalized stats with no stat amps or boosts being allowed so that point is moot.
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Garou hasn't dropped anything in regards to martial arts against Saitama, he just knows the only way to even beat him is to copy his full power. Garou already tried using all of martial arts and techniques and went through numerous transformations that lead to Saitama utterly destroying him so it's only natural Garou would jump to simply copying Saitama's power and techniques itself as a conclusion.
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How is that questionable? Garou only has ES Vision and doesn't even have EP.
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So uh if Goku can't even use UI since ki is restricted unless OP says otherwise, does that mean he can't even use ki to strengthen his body? But Garou can still use his abilities such as the one he copied from blast and using cosmic radiation?
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Garou had EP ever since he fought SC and even before IIRC
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That's nowhere near Goku's EP, though, so I still don't see how that would questionable.
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Goku has better EP but not necessarily senses. Like Goku fighting in the dark is through feeling vibrations while Garou just sees in the dark even as a human. Not that enhanced senses and EP would have much of an impact on the battle's outcome.
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In a match of equal stats with his instant technique mimicry and perfection, why wouldn't Garou be able to hurt Goku? Not even including his durability negating techniques.
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Did you see what happened to 73 moro? and what's garou's durability negation going to do against goku's er resistance? and him being able to protect his vitals and also shift them? technique mimicry isn't going to help protect garou from hurting himself upon coming into contact with goku's body.
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No, fill me in
I'm assuming you're referring to Existence Erasure resists which is something that doesn't matter. EE resistence doesn't give you resistance to durability negation.
Garou's durability negation not only engulfs the entire body but even the surroundings. Garou used one of his durability negation attacks solely on Saitama and reduced an entire skyscraper to dust in the process. He used the same move but greater on Saitama on a volcano and it affected the volcano, did the same move but greater on Saitama on a mountain and it affected the planet.
Why would Garou hurt himself by touching Goku's body?
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73 moro tried to impale goku and he broke his hand and wrist because ui automatically made goku's body become sturdier. Goku took multiple vital shots to his body in a weaker form against granola who was stronger than him. And in the Top whis comments that goku's able to keep incoming attacks from hitting his vitals thereby avoiding real damage. Goku also took multiple pressure point attacks from hit and kept going. This was also before he had access to ui too. And er erases your entire body insides and all. Yet goku was put in a hakai sphere and was resisting the effects of it. He also showed to be able to touch ue vegeta's hakai ball too.
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1k messages and above 10 pages...oh my god.
I'll rivise to why i think goku wins here in my opinion.
better senses and analytical prediction, Goku has near 360° vision thanks to him being able to sense ki, emotions, disturbances in the atmosphere and the air changement. And ofcourse it's coupled with a hilariously higher Analytical prediction. Meaning garou would have a difficult time to touch goku. And ofcourse his U.I which allows him to dodge attacks from things at least 50x faster than him. And it's layered and always improving. Ofcourse his ability to easily copy and create counters on the fly [And he can also shift his vitals....somehow]. His better/longer experience. And he can match people like Cell and Hit with skill alone. And his after images [which also works on cell, jiren etc...and people that are faster than him]. And, if garou decides to copy UI, he will immediatly collapse.
I'll rivise to why i think goku wins here in my opinion.
better senses and analytical prediction, Goku has near 360° vision thanks to him being able to sense ki, emotions, disturbances in the atmosphere and the air changement. And ofcourse it's coupled with a hilariously higher Analytical prediction. Meaning garou would have a difficult time to touch goku. And ofcourse his U.I which allows him to dodge attacks from things at least 50x faster than him. And it's layered and always improving. Ofcourse his ability to easily copy and create counters on the fly [And he can also shift his vitals....somehow]. His better/longer experience. And he can match people like Cell and Hit with skill alone. And his after images [which also works on cell, jiren etc...and people that are faster than him]. And, if garou decides to copy UI, he will immediatly collapse.
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Stat amp is not allowed so Goku won’t get sturdier or more durable. Garou’s main durability negation isn’t through pressure points, it’s from a shockwaves that engulf his opponents even with only slight grazes. EE resistance doesn’t give you resistance durability negation.
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Yeah, I'm done here.Very impressive
I suggest noone waste their time either.
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Wait till he realizes EE negates durability
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Are you new to the wiki?
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Not really comparable though. Garou was able to see in darkness, sure, but light was still present to a degree. I'm assuming you're referring to Goku's fight with Yakon, but that was on a planet where literally no light is present. Being able to track someone's movements via the flow of air currents is still a great ES feat though.
Plus Saiyans in general do have pretty great vision feats. E.g. Vegeta being able to follow Goku & Beerus' movements in the stratosphere from Earth.
Great ES can definitely give you an advantage in a battle though. Especially in combination with AP.
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him resisting the effects of something that erases your entire body and as a kid enduring the water of the gods should be sufficient enough to say that garou's durability negation/shockwave attack wouldn't work. If it even lands. And bang survived it and got back up from it and was still strong enough to resists garou's cosmic radiation.
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People think the radiation poisoning stuff is an instant gg when Cosmic Garou was out for like... what? Three 40 paged Chapters?
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Those 3 chapters are more than enough to put his well above Goku.
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yeah cr isn't that big of a deal to someone like goku. Who has er resistance and fought in the upper atmosphere too. Who also as a kid endured the water of the gods.
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1. EE resistance doesn't mean shit in terms of radiation resistance.
2. The upper atmosphere isn't comparable to Garou's radiation.
3. What does the water of the gods do.
4. THIS IS A SKILL DEBATE THE RADIATION DOESN'T EVEN ******* MATTER.
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Webcomic Garou’s feat (OP allows it) is the one I was referring to since that's the one where Garou mentions he can see in darkness. His senses are notably better than S-class and monsters that couldn't do the same. Goku's feat is still very impressive even compared to Garou.
It all depends on what can be done to capitalize on those ES.
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Ask any moderator if EE resistance gives you resistance to Garou's durability negation if you don't believe me. Garou's radiation is restricted because it would kill Goku, it's far beyond regular cosmic radiation or nuclear radiation.
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End this thread please.
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Anyone who is seriously debating on this thread needs to touch grass urgently ngl
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goku in his ssb form took multiple vital attacks from a stronger granola. He's also able to shift his vitals. And ui allows him to keep incoming attacks from hitting his vitals. Garou hasn't come across someone who can do stuff like that and used his durability negation on that person. So there's no proof that he'd be able to bypass past goku's defenses. Then there's him surviving a potent toxin as a kid that could've killed him instantly but he endured it. There's the already listed upper atmosphere feat. And hakai is er. If goku has resistance to that why would cr be a problem for him? even if allowed.
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