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God Zamasu Mid Godly regeneration removal

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What are the conclusions here so far?
 
Antvasima said:
What are the conclusions here so far?
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The majority conclusions are that the OP somewhat misunderstood the premise of Mid-Godly Regeneration and all points and evidences have pointed to Zamasu keeps Mid-Godly which mainly participants agree with
So no changes
 
Antvasima said:
What are the conclusions here so far?
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Ottavio (and others) brought up a good point probably, mind and soul being linked due to Ginyu’s soulhax also affecting the mind. As such Hakai erasing the soul would also erase the mind. Letting Zamasu keep his current regen. We should probably note that somewhere, maybe Ginyu’s page or smth.
 
Greenshifter said:
Ottavio (and others) brought up a good point probably, mind and soul being linked due to Ginyu’s soulhax also affecting the mind. As such Hakai erasing the soul would also erase the mind. Letting Zamasu keep his current regen. We should probably note that somewhere, maybe Ginyu’s page or smth.
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Okay. Would somebody here be willing to handle that please?
 
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Hey, the books say "consciousness" and "body and mind".
That extra soul-based pizzazz takes extra evidence.
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Not sure how, when and why did this become Ginyu all of a sudden

Anyways,
How you apply this in Z and the Super would be very contentious

In Z, Ginyu's body change points out that it affects Consciousness and Mind, great so No Soul
How would you apply this to DB Super Resurrection F?
Does this mean that Ginyu is still alive since his Soul is inside his original body and its just his mind that has been destroyed?
Is Tagoma alive or dead? Because his Mind is in a Frog while his Body was nuked by Vegeta which supposedly Togama's soul is still inside of going by your angle
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Funny how you are saying nitpicking when you just making an assumption without proof for brain and mind being same.
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That’s like saying assuming gokus hair is keratin is head canon. It’s literally common sense. You only assume his hair is made of like, vibranium or some shit when there is evidence to the contrary
 
Ss3micah said:
Not sure how, when and why did this become Ginyu all of a sudden

Anyways,
How you apply this in Z and the Super would be very contentious

In Z, Ginyu's body change points out that it affects Consciousness and Mind, great so No Soul
How would you apply this to DB Super Resurrection F?
Does this mean that Ginyu is still alive since his Soul is inside his original body and its just his mind that has been destroyed?
Is Tagoma alive or dead? Because his Mind is in a Frog while his Body was nuked by Vegeta which supposedly Togama's soul is still inside of going by your angle
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Probably because they mentioned the body transfer by Ginyu earlier.

Anyway, neutral here since this isn’t exactly what I can tell if this is 100% Mid Godly or just High end Low God tier.
 
I honestly dont know why we bringing up Ginyu or making him relevant when he has nothing to do with this thread
Anyways back on topic.... If there is even a topic left to debate on
 
Greenshifter said:
Ottavio (and others) brought up a good point probably, mind and soul being linked due to Ginyu’s soulhax also affecting the mind. As such Hakai erasing the soul would also erase the mind. Letting Zamasu keep his current regen. We should probably note that somewhere, maybe Ginyu’s page or smth.
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It was from Greenshift mentioning it to being specific.

However, this requires staff input ngl.
 
Ss3micah said:
In Z, Ginyu's body change points out that it affects Consciousness and Mind, great so No Soul
How would you apply this to DB Super Resurrection F?
Does this mean that Ginyu is still alive since his Soul is inside his original body and its just his mind that has been destroyed?
Is Tagoma alive or dead? Because his Mind is in a Frog while his Body was nuked by Vegeta which supposedly Togama's soul is still inside of going by your angle
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It depends. Hakai was specifically stated and show to erasing the body and soul. It never really mention mind in the statements I have see about it.

Also not to mention, I do remember see a scan that show Zamasu’s body being erased although it wasn’t completely erased in the QA for this.
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
It depends. Hakai was specifically stated and show to erasing the body and soul. It never really mention mind in the statements I have see about it.

Also not to mention, I do remember see a scan that show Zamasu’s body being erased although it wasn’t completely erased in the QA for this.
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That was because Goku's hakai was interrupted when Zamasu grabbed Mai, forcing Goku to stop
 
So it was incomplete erasement. Welp, I can see Low Godly, likely Mid Godly at least. Especially given above comments from Null regarding body transfer done by Ginyu specifically mention consciousness and mind and body there especially since in the case of Ginyu, I think it is reasonable to assume he transfer his own mind to take over Goku’s body if anything.
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
It depends. Hakai was specifically stated and show to erasing the body and soul. It never really mention mind in the statements I have see about it.

Also not to mention, I do remember see a scan that show Zamasu’s body being erased although it wasn’t completely erased in the QA for this.
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Ginyu's Body Change shouldn't be equated to SS Body Change

Zamasu asked for his and goku's body to be swapped and then Goku black pointed out that his Divine Soul was inside goku's body and obviously his mind went into Goku's Body as well
If the transference of Soul consequently affects the Mind then erasure of the Soul would also erase the Mind it's linked to
 
Ss3micah said:
Ginyu's Body Change shouldn't be equated to SS Body Change

Zamasu asked for his and goku's body to be swapped and then Goku black pointed out that his Divine Soul was inside goku's body and obviously his mind went into Goku's Body as well
If the transference of Soul consequently affects the Mind then erasure of the Soul would also erase the Mind it's linked to
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Wait, which manga chapter is this from? It is probably better if you got scans to come along with this especially if it does mention mind in there too.
 
Ss3micah said:
Also
According to the Hermes Translations, The Hakai can erase "Soul and All"
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That is specifically say Soul, but all is kinda vague since the translations will have to being confirmed for that.

Also again, you haven’t exactly provided scans about the body change for DBS manga when you mentioned this.

Some links will do too.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
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Fusion Zamasu (DBS Manga)

Fusion Zamasu (合体がったい ザマス, Gattai Zamasu?) is a fusion born of the union between Goku Black (Present Zamasu in Goku's body) and Future Zamasu through the Potara earrings. After nearly unfusing, he gained the ability to multiply, requiring Goku to summon Zeno to kill him once and for all. Tier...
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Regeneration

Regeneration, often referred to as a healing factor, is the ability to passively heal oneself from wounds at an accelerated rate, with many characters proving capable of regenerating from wounds that would be lethal to normal humans. It has several different levels that range in potency from...
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Mid-Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete erasure of body, mind, and soul.

Wiki standard states characters needs to be completely erased & Regenerate on body soul and mind but Hakai never stated to erase characters on that level. So I am suggesting to remove Mid Godly regeneration and replace with Low Godly regeneration.

Or

Revise Regeneration page and remove mind thing so that Zamasu can Keep his Regeneration tier. For now per wiki standard his Regeneration should be downgraded to low godly.
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Where will the mind go?
 
So what should currently be done here?
 
Okay, so should we close this thread then?
 
Greenshifter said:
Ottavio (and others) brought up a good point probably, mind and soul being linked due to Ginyu’s soulhax also affecting the mind. As such Hakai erasing the soul would also erase the mind. Letting Zamasu keep his current regen. We should probably note that somewhere, maybe Ginyu’s page or smth.
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May I see the scans for this first statement, please?
 
DivineAura44 said:
Jesus Christ the word mind is synonymous with brain.
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Unfortunately the OP seems to not understand this
He must be thinking that since the mind is abstract in a sense, it can survive the destruction of the brain even if DB makes it clear that they dont operate under Touhou Logic or that the mind can survive the destruction of the brain because the mind was "not specifically stated" to have been destroyed/erased (which is clear-cut nitpicking)
 
Ss3micah said:
Unfortunately the OP seems to not understand this
He must be thinking that since the mind is abstract in a sense, it can survive the destruction of the brain even if DB makes it clear that they dont operate under Touhou Logic or that the mind can survive the destruction of the brain because the mind was "not specifically stated" to have been destroyed/erased (which is clear-cut nitpicking)
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Buu's mind can survive the destruction of his brain.
Also can you give the scans that people asked for?
 
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