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I agree with Matthew on this one. Even tho I would love 2-C Kratos
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God of War: Norse Pantheon Revisions
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> Seriously, do you believe that those two crossed curved lines are representing a spiral galaxy? Because that's positively a huge leap of logic if I ever saw one. The burden of proof to indicate that they are conclusively galaxies is yours, and please don't attempt to invert the burden, as you are the one with the extraordinary claim which requires extraordinary evidence to be backed up.
The only huge leap of logic here is assuming that something that is identical to a galaxy positioned next to general constellation areas in the nightsky is somehow something else completely unexplained.
I have the extraordinary evidence. I provided no less than five scans of galaxies being represented as something that exists in the Norse Cosmology. I also provided Word of God stating that the stars are the same as in real life. I also provided the clear precedent set before the Norse realms of real stars.
So far you have shown no statements in-game and no myths, pretty much nothing other than the fact you don't believe they are because of the mythological setting. Which is not evidence, especially in God of War where earlier mythological settings had legitimate galaxies and all that.
> No single scan states that. As I keep reiterating, a single scan calling the moon and the sun "celestial bodies" does not, in any way, shape, or form, indicate that the whole universe follows a real world cosmology. When even you admit that it doesn't.
When did I say it didn't? The burden of proof is on you. When everything points to X, assuming Y for completely no reason is just...flawed. Sorry, but so far I have yet to see any scans from your side.
> And yes, when you go to Muspellheim in-game we are given a statement about the origin of stars which severely contradicts this "scientific universe" notion which is being pushed.
Even you admitted this isn't the case anymore.
The only huge leap of logic here is assuming that something that is identical to a galaxy positioned next to general constellation areas in the nightsky is somehow something else completely unexplained.
I have the extraordinary evidence. I provided no less than five scans of galaxies being represented as something that exists in the Norse Cosmology. I also provided Word of God stating that the stars are the same as in real life. I also provided the clear precedent set before the Norse realms of real stars.
So far you have shown no statements in-game and no myths, pretty much nothing other than the fact you don't believe they are because of the mythological setting. Which is not evidence, especially in God of War where earlier mythological settings had legitimate galaxies and all that.
> No single scan states that. As I keep reiterating, a single scan calling the moon and the sun "celestial bodies" does not, in any way, shape, or form, indicate that the whole universe follows a real world cosmology. When even you admit that it doesn't.
When did I say it didn't? The burden of proof is on you. When everything points to X, assuming Y for completely no reason is just...flawed. Sorry, but so far I have yet to see any scans from your side.
> And yes, when you go to Muspellheim in-game we are given a statement about the origin of stars which severely contradicts this "scientific universe" notion which is being pushed.
Even you admitted this isn't the case anymore.
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Do the Primordials mean nothing here?
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The Primordials (God of War): Universe level (Uranus' death led to the birth of the universe. Confirmed multiple times in the comic-book)
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That should confirm that at least GoW as a whole is a universe. If we're going with they created everything including the other realms as part of the universe.
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The Primordials didn't create anything beyond the Greek Universe
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So then we need the other realms being equal in size. If so then it's 2-C. Honestly it seems like they are regarded as equal. From my pov. The World Tree contains the Greek Universe which is infinite. Which should be 2-A right? Hopefully I'm not going too far here.
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I agree with Kep's arguments far more overall. I joined this site to downgrade the Primordials and even then I think he is making much more sense here.
The point of the murals is to show that galaxies exist and that, coupled with basic application of Occam's Razor and evidence standards, means that at the very least Midgard is Universe-Sized.
The point of the murals is to show that galaxies exist and that, coupled with basic application of Occam's Razor and evidence standards, means that at the very least Midgard is Universe-Sized.
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Then if the revision was rejected this page would need to be downgraded.Nedge1000 said:
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Can you post the revision?
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The World Tree doesn't contain the Greek Universe folks. Let's not derail please.
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@KLOL
Bingo.
Bingo.
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Wait why The Primordials are gonna be downgraded?
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They aren't.
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Ok. then. Maybe I read it wrong.
You'd literally be wrong. The novel contradicts that, and I'd also like you to supply evidence of that interview.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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Kratos himself doesn't even know how he got there. The "boat" thing is laughable, and I'm fairly sure it was supposed to be a joke.
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No, it does not contain the Greek UniverseEmperorRorepme said:
It contains only the 9 worlds
I still stand on my hill that the Nine Worlds are not universes per se, they may have stars but the cosmology using the logic in the game and in the writings does not add up that they are legit stars
I suggest we do not upgrade anything considering we have too many vocal and influential people that don't agree... yeah, there may be more people who agree but that doesn't mean they are right
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Ok, guys and gals, let's chill please. The discussion has been pretty good whether or not you agree with the upgrades. Let's not turn this into something nasty, please.
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Influence and numbers =/= Legitimacy.
The upgrade will or won't happen depending on arguments.
The upgrade will or won't happen depending on arguments.
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I removed that post tree.
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@KratosSolosDBUniverse You need to chill.
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Also, "At least 4-A" has been accepted over Discord, we are just arguing the validity of Tier 2 now.
I am perfectly chill. Just stating those facts.ShadowWarrior1999 said:
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I highly support 4-A Kratos that is perfect to me.
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Let's please avoid turning this into an insult-fest.
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4-A Kratos is solid (and means we can have him fight Ares)
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We will most likely get "At least 4-A, likely 2-C" at the end fo all this, which is fine by me.
Kep has put forward a lot of good arguments for this.
Kep has put forward a lot of good arguments for this.
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4-A is solid, the higher is not that solid.
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It is perfectly solid and acceptable to that wall of text of staff and non-staff names next to the "Agree:", and the arguments made in favor of it are certainly solid in the view of many.
Regardless, I support "At least 4-A, likely 2-C"
Regardless, I support "At least 4-A, likely 2-C"
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I'm ahuge fan of GoW but is just that 2-C feels a bit strange, on any moment we should discover something that supports it better or otherwise something to debunk it. So I prefer a solid tier.
Also Influence and numbers =/= Legitimacy.
Also Influence and numbers =/= Legitimacy.
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Whether it is strange to you or not, to multiple of other people it's solid.
This is a pure cop-out. I laid down my case quite clearly. People are entitled to their view on the debate. They aren't forced to bend down to anyone.
This is a pure cop-out. I laid down my case quite clearly. People are entitled to their view on the debate. They aren't forced to bend down to anyone.
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It's not a pure cop out, mind you. I can see an argument for 4-A but I cannot for the life of me see any Tier 2 feats listed here.
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"At least 4-A" is based off of the realms potential size. If they are universe-sized as I have argued then the feats can be quite clearly seen as Tier 2. It's not some impossible inconceivable thing, it's a quite natural consequence.
And while it's true that numbers do not determine legitimacy, that doesn't mean people have to bend down either. I have given scans and explanations, it's up to others to believe in them.
And while it's true that numbers do not determine legitimacy, that doesn't mean people have to bend down either. I have given scans and explanations, it's up to others to believe in them.
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