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This is a follow up to the first CRT made a couple of months back to make sweeping revisions to the verse and will be notably smaller. Special thanks to the entire GoW supporter team for making this possible. Let's get into it;
- Chaos should get Void Manipulation, as she is the literal Primordial Void that precedes all of creation and is the birth-mother of all the Primordials who created the Greek World, the literal concept of life itself, and she is also the same exact Primordial Void to whom all of creation will collapseinto should the Greek Pantheon be utterly destroyed.
- The Primordials would thus get Advanced Non-Physical Interaction for being able to physically interact with their mother and punch her jaw off. And Void Manipulation Resistance.
- The Primordials should get Higher-Dimensional Existence, as they are incarnations of fundamental aspects of nature that dwarf the entire universe as a whole, with Primordials such as Morpheus embodying a realm that's an entire space-time continuum, Tartarus embodying the Underworld (The Underworld is literally Tartarus’s corpse), Uranus containing the Mortal Universe in his chin, Chaos being the Primordial Realm and Void that preceded all of creation and birthed the Primordials, and Nyx embodying her parallel night dimension. Here's the scans for them being the literal abstractions and incarnations of the fundamental aspects of nature that they represent, each of which dwarfs the Universe (As seen when Ceto the Green punches the Universe out of Uranus the Orange face in the Primordial War, where all the Primordials are equally big). Underworld and Tartarus are self-explanatory, Morpheus is this, Nyx is all over the place in Ascension, and Uranus is literally in the scan above where he has the universe punched out of his face by Ceto.
- Athena gets Higher-Dimensional Existence, as after her sacrifice to save Zeus, she had ascended to a higher level of existence, Cory Barlog further elaborates as per these two interviewsthat this was indeed legitimate transcendence, where he elaborates more about the stories of Power being corrupting, how Kratos had become corrupted with power because he became a God, he became an even worse monster than Ares, and how Athena became the first God to become selfless because she selflessly sacrificed herself to save Zeus, and thus ascended to a higher realm where she is indeed higher than everyone else and the Greek World in terms of both existence and power, but this kind of power messes with her mind and corrupts her completely, making her just as bad as everyone else. And yet, for all this power, Athena was absolutely terrified at the sight of Kratos wielding Hope against her and threatening to kill her with it.
- As a result, she should also get Abstract Existence Type 1. Upon dying and shedding her corporeal flesh, Athena ascended to a higher state of existence as per above, beyond even the abstractions that are the Primordials and the denizens of the Underworld, whose Form makes up a part of their existence (She has effectively ascended far above the Greek Pantheon itself to a higher level of existence). She cannot be interacted with by any mortal or god, including Kratos despite the latter being able to absorb and destroy souls and even concepts. Kratos was only able to kill her with the Power of Hope (Which he of course, didn’t do because as he said, his vengeance was now over).
- Kratos gets Conceptual Invulnerability due to Hope making him immune to all the effects of the Great Evils, especially Fear itself.
- Some additional justification for Ares having Telepathy, Mind Manipulation and Dream Manipulation via influencing Kratos’ nightmares, it is so powerful that it even caused Kratos’ skin to split and bleed (Chapter 24. All relevant scans here)
- Ironically, these provide even more justifications for Gods having Enhanced Senses, seeing as merely calling their names will immediately cause the respective god to be alerted, even if in the form of a dream they were called.
- Helios and Cronos should get Non-Physical Interaction for being able to physically interact with and fight against the likes of Nyx and Uranus, both of whom we accept as Type 1 Concepts with Type 1 Abstract Existence.
- Norse Kratos should get Intangibility, seeing as he literally phased through a mountain wall to further hone his rage (GOW2018 Comic- Issue 1). This is ultimately confirmed when Atreus nonchalantly answers to Skjoldr that while he has magic, he hasn’t trained enough to be able to walk through walls yet.
- Erinys gets back her Void Manipulation. Her Scourge of Erinys summons what are effectively called Voids flat-out, and there is no reason to assume otherwise.
- As a result, Realm Tears would also be Void Manipulation by default, as Mimir calls them out to be voids. This’d grant Garm Void Manipulation too, since he can tear holes through Realms like that.
- Given the nature of the Void of Ginnungagap (Spark of the World) and the Void in the Realm Between Realms, Ymir and Surtr would both get resistance to Void Manipulation and Existence Erasure, as their bodies are made up of the Primordial Jotnar Essence that make up the 9 Realms (Said Realms being literally forged from Ymir’s carved-up flesh), the same material was then used in the Unity Stone which Kratos and Atreus used to get to the Hidden Jotunheim tower without getting erased.
- Yggdrasil would also get Void Manipulation since it encompasses the Ginnungagap/Spark of the World, from which all of Creation Emerged.
- Thor gets Stealth Mastery for this. As hilarious as it sounds, it seems to make sense given Thor’s tendency to strike without warning and catch people off-guard all the time even when he’s not in a mood to fight.
- Thor gets Resistance to Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation and Memory Manipulation, Vector Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3), since his fight with Laufey and the clashing of their Mjolnir and Leviathan respectively split apart many souls, manipulating souls grants the above abilities as accepted in the prior CRT.
- Zeus gains Resistance Negation for the following: At the start of GoW3, he was able to leave Kratos unable to resist the effects of the River Styx and his own power null with a single blast of lightning, something the latter could do with no issues even in his demigod state for former and EoG GoW2 self for latter. Zeus’s bolts by default power null anything and everything on contact, resistances included. Just ask the Titans Oceanus and Prometheus. Gained via AD/RE between GoW2 and GoW3.
- Kratos at the end of GoW3 resists Zeus’ Resistance Negation feat above.
- Poseidon gets potential Resistance to Death Manipulation for having sex with Aphrodite (GOW1 Novel Chapter 8), who birthed the Twins Zora and Lora, who can kill people who have sex with them without doing anything. Kratos would get it by banging Aphrodite too. Ares ****** Aphrodite too (And we all know where that went).
- Furies get Acausality Type 4 due to having existed before time itself, much like the Primordials. They’d also get Abstract Existence Type 2 for embodying Oaths and Promises themselves, and for being Law Incarnate. Break an Oath, and they will come knocking on your door to demand retribution.
- All masters of Seidr magic get resistance to Soul Manipulation and Corruption Type 2 thanks to the numerous statements of Seidr causing corruption and affecting one's soul (GOW Lore and Legends Page 48). They would also get Intangibility and potentially Incorporeality through slipping between sheets of reality (GOW Lore and Legends Page 97).
- Helios gets Regen (High-Low normally, Low-Mid overtime). Reason being he got himself crushed by the hands of Perses completely and tossed aside to the distance, but immediately after, he seems to have regained control of his arms a bit to vainly resist Kratos.
- Kratos gets Social Influencing. He managed to inspire fanatical loyalty in the Spartan Army, even against overwhelming odds and had them conquer Greece in his name well before he became the God of War. Played Lakhesis against her sisters after a single conversation (She was way more infatuated with Kratos than the other Sisters throughout the entire novel) and repeatedly inspires great attraction in various women he has met in his life (Just ask the Furies and their endless sexual lust for him and his body that they actually chose seducing him to bring him back to Ares). Even Athena was being extremely thirsty for him at first (No joke) - seriously though, she holds great empathy and feelings for Kratos which are repressed, often to even unreasonable ends. He also convinced Freya to cease her bloodlust against him and he talked Thor into going against Odin, who has had control over the former for his whole life.
- Demigod Kratos gets Accelerated Development because he has the Rage of Ares within him, stemming from both the Blades of Chaos and Fire of Ares, whose magic allows its fighters to regain life and increase their strength and combat capabilities in encounters over every advance they make. Zeus and Hades magic also have this AD ability by default. Mentioned in Redeemed Warrior’s profile which just needs to be upended to Kratos's profile.
- Demigod Kratos gets resistance to Fate Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Biological Manipulation, Life Manipulation and Death Manipulation, given that the moment Kratos got out of the Underworld is the moment he started to defy the Fates (Though he had started to do this a lot earlier in GOW2 Novel’s Chapter 8), where because of his willpower he slowly starts to build up resistance to the Sisters’ manipulation of his Fates by the time he had reached the Island. He was a special favorite of both Lahkesis and Atropos because he always ended up doing the unexpected- but he still ended up fulfilling the fate they had decreed for him. No longer. The moment he killed the Dark Rider and Alrik (GOW2 Novel Chapter 28), they had effectively lost all control over Kratos’ thread, and at this point, both Lahkesis and Atropos were coping over their loss of control over Kratos and were just accusing each other of toying around too much with Kratos (When in reality they truly had no control over the later chain of events with him anymore), he does all this without ever realizing what the Sisters are even doing from behind the scenes, and by the time Perseus was dead, the Sisters had gotten the worst shock of their lives- Kratos’ thread had already become increasingly slack and unresponsive to their tugging of his thread, nothing they did to the Thread at that point would be enough to change Kratos’ direction or his fate (GOW2 Novel Chapter 36), and remember, Kratos has still yet to become Tier 2 by reaching Atlas. This would also end up being an incredibly potent Reactive Evolution Feat for him.
- This reaches a boiling point in GOW2 Novel Chapter 46, where his Thread of Fate becomes completely untouchable to the Sisters of Fate because of his newly-determined willpower to defy the Fates, thus forever preventing them from ever tampering with his Fate ever again, and it also ends up making Kratos the sole master of his own Thread of Fate. As a result, GoW Kratos’s resistance to these abilities would end up being even stronger than before and classified as Enhanced Resistance to them, if not outright upgraded to blatant immunity (It’s in-verse immunity, but you get the point).
- Poseidon gets resistance to all of Athena’s abilities as per the GoW Myth To Legend video, where Medusa’s curse is because nothing Athena could do would even come close to touching Poseidon.
- A bit of sad news really. Freyr loses his 4D resistances from the Light of Alfheim, because as per Freya’s conversation, Freyr fell from the Yggdrasil directly into the Lake of Souls (It doesn’t say Light of Alfheim) and that he directly came out of the Lake of Souls in front of the Elves. That being said however, while he would lose the Deconstruction Resistance, he’d still retain his Soul-related Resistances (Soul Manip, Concept Manip Type 3, Vector Manip, Probability Manip) and the Mind plus Madness-related resistances (Mind, Memory and Madness Types 2 and 3) because the Lake of Souls is incredibly volatile and it messes up people thoroughly through their soul and mind (When Sindri tried getting his dead brother Brok’s soul back the souls crawled all over him and threatened to consume him, he recalls it being a nightmare, and it also messed up Atreus a little bit), but it’s survivable. So the justification would be to change him falling into the Light of Alfheim, and changing it to him falling into the Lake of Souls.
- The users of various magic types within the setting would have abilities based on what type of magic they wield, as detailed in the blog.
- Yggdrasil gets Space-Time Manipulation, its mere Sap alone can activate a Realm Shift. Realm Shift in general can not only shift space and time themselves, but it also shifts entire singular realms upon activation
- Sigrun shares every single ability the other Valkyries have.
- The Furies get access to Soul Manipulation alongside their already-present Mind Manipulation based on this scan from the GOW Ascension Digital Manual which we accepted in the first CRT. Given how Soul Shenanigans work, they’d also get Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3), Memory Manipulation, Probability Manipulation and Vector Manipulation.
- The Furies get access to Soul Manipulation alongside their already-present Mind Manipulation based on this scan from the GOW Ascension Bonus Video which we accepted in the first CRT. Given how Soul Shenanigans work, they’d also get Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3), Memory Manipulation, Probability Manipulation and Vector Manipulation.
- Baldur gets his ability set separated based on him with the curse or without the curse. As a result, he would get Immortality Types 1, 2, 3 and 4 because Death would have no power over him with this curse. He would also, in base, have Poison Absorption resistance since he absorbed the Leviathan’s powers (That had been infused with Eitr Poison early in the game) and healed from it with no issues whatsoever. Even the Blades of Chaos are not of much trouble for him to heal from.
- Baldur gets resistance to all of Freya’s magic with the curse.
- Causality Manipulation for the Amulet of Uroboros. The Amulet can shape, shift and wield time itself. It can also restore objects to their previous untampered state without having to decay them, being able to “heal” them, as it were. Some examples here, here and here.
- Surtr gets Chaos Manipulation for being born of the same Primordial Chaos as Ymir, with the GOW Ragnarok artbook (Page 103) stating him to contain raw chaos within himself.
- Surtr gets Life manipulation for his cinders creating life.
- Kratos resists Sleep Manipulation in his Demigod Key for withstanding materials that course with a sleeping spell (It should preferably be noted that his resistance increased in potency since the time of his encounter with Morpheus), and also from resisting the Sisters messing around with his Thread of Fate, which can wake up people if tugged on.
- Kratos gains the abilities of the Spear of Destiny.
- I think it’s about time we made a rule for Norse Kratos and Greek Kratos scaling as a whole, because frankly, this is getting out of hand. A note should be made elaborating in detail that NORSE KRATOS IS NOT STRONGER THAN GREEK KRATOS. They are equal in physical statistics ONLY WHEN NORSE KRATOS IS GOING ALL OUT. Yes, I know, there are two tweets, one from Cory and Brunoeach, that claim Norse Kratos to be stronger because of “muh parental love”, but they are contradicted heavily by the source material itself, by official Sony blogs and by official interviews. I will now explain why:
- The official Blog Post Guide for GOW2018 states that Kratos is slowly reawakening his dormant powers.
- The GoW2018 Comic-Con interview’s snippet also states that Kratos is constantly restraining himself in order to set a better path for his son.
- Cory Barlog in a Director’s Commentary also states that Kratos hasn’t had a fight like Baldur in a long time and that he’s shaking off the cobwebs.
- The blog for the first boss fight against Baldur also states that Kratos is a little rusty in this fight, which Eric Williams has since confirmed in an interview for GoW Ragnarok. This should destroy any notion that Norse Kratos is in any way, shape or form, superior to his old Endgame GoW3 Pre-Hope self
- The GOW2018 Novel in Chapter 48 states Kratos was a lot more muscular in his Greek Days.
- Kratos states he lost all of his magical powers from Greece after his homeland died (First, when Fear Zeus destroyed all his equipment, drained his powers and then killed him by snapping his neck. And after Kratos came back with Hope, regained his powers back and killed Zeus, Kratos, calling his vengeance to have finally ended, lost them again for the last time when he killed himself by channeling the Power of Hope through the Blade of Olympus and stabbing himself with it, releasing all of his powers and Hope to mankind instead of Athena to prevent the Gods from ruining the lives of mankind ever again, and to give mankind a fighting chance for survival in a world without the Gods)
- The Blades of Chaos being a thing, which are straight up stronger than the Leviathan Axe (Which is equal to Mjolnir). The Blade of Artemis is stronger than the Blades of Chaos, and Poseidon’s Trident is completely impervious to the Blades of Chaos. Even Pandora’s Temple is forged of magic and metals that could easily chip the Blades of Chaos. The Blades of Athena/Exile, Spear of Destiny, Claws of Hades, Nemean Cestus, Blade of Olympus and the Golden Fleece all stand massively above the original Blades of Chaos by a significant margin.
- The current 2-C scaling needs to be revised, particularly for the god level characters i.e. the Olympians, this will be the new scaling and would put many more characters at the 9 universe benchmark;
- Ares: Low Multiverse level (Is capable of harming himself and piercing through his own armor with his spider limbs, all the while being capable of ignoring damage from the Blade of Artemis entirely, with said Blade being more powerful than the Blades of Chaos outright, which are in turn superior to Mjolnir. Is among the mightiest of the Olympian Gods)
- Athena: Low Multiverse level (Portrayed as comparable to Ares in might. Could create the Blades of Athena with little issue, with them being superior to even the Blades of Chaos)
- Artemis: Low Multiverse level (Threatened to harm Ares during their standoff in Athens. Her blade is even more powerful than the Blades of Chaos. Fought in and survived the Titanomachy, even slaying a Titan in the process)
- Atropos: Low Multiverse level (Could destroy the Blade of the Gods with her magical energy after consecutive beams and blasts over time, with said sword being capable of damaging Ares and withstanding his blows without a scratch. Could hold of)
- Lahkesis: Low Multiverse level (Comparable to Atropos)
- Demigod Kratos' 6-A end should just be High 6-A. He's superior to Demigod tier Redeemed Warriors, who're superior to the mortal tier Warriors, whom the feat is performed by. And seeing as there's a less than 1.2x difference between the value and the baseline of High 6-A, he should just move up outright. Of course, The Furies would as well.
The cosmology blog detailing the Nine Realms and Yggdrasil has been updated with all relevant information. The new explanations and scans be read here and this section is to mainly notify everyone of that fact and to allow
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- Kratos got a speed-calc accepted for him, as did the Redeemed Warriors. Kratos would scale to FTL, the Redeemed Warriors would scale to Relativistic normally and Speed of Light with Essence of Hyperion.
God of War: Kratos Sees Lightning in Slow-Motion
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- Atreus would get outright 2-C durability via consistently surviving attacks from gods and top level monsters (Baldur, Odin, the Valkyries etc).
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