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Introduction
No tier nonsense today. Here are some general changes and additions to the profiles and explanation pages.Additions and Removals
- Kratos gets Transmutation as he turns the evil Souls of Berserkers into Blades for his Hilts.
- Kratos gets innate Power Nullification via being capable of negating the de-aging effect of the Amulet of Ouroboros on Castor and Pollux. It is also something he can do with his Blades.
- Thanatos’s “Likely Higher-Dimensional Existence” will be removed. Despite being a Primordial and thus an abstraction (as was accepted in past threads), Thanatos is never once shown to be physically containing or dwarfing universes with his body, like Nyx, Uranus, or Chaos.
- Atreus and Kratos get limited Weather Manipulation. Kratos’ arrival in Norse lands causes a mini-Fimbulwinter (Lore and Legends Page 64). As for Atreus, his anger and frustration at Sindri’s inability to make up with Brok results in him snapping, with every yell Atreus makes causing the sky to worsen bit by bit.
- Previously in this CRT, we had deemed that Souls in God of War included Form, Mind, Direction, and Luck and that the Direction portion gave Vector Manipulation. I suggest we remove Vector Manipulation because nothing indicates that this is something the Direction aspect of the soul has power over in the series.
- Kratos gets Bifrost Magic added under his Runic Magic description (Glaive of Dodher) and via Mimir’s Crystal Eyes (Huldra Brothers Project #9).
- Kratos gets Electricity Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement, and Status Effect Inducement with the Hilt of Ridill.
- Kratos gets Sound Manipulation and Light Manipulation with the Hilt of Angrvadall.
- Kratos gets Seidr Magic via the Hilt of Dainsleif.
- Heimdall gets Enhanced Senses and Extrasensory Perception for being able to hear everyone around him (Within his vicinity of course) and sense a person’s magic.
- Some additional justification for Heimdall being able to see people’s futures here.
- Atropos gets Attack Reflection Negation for stopping the Golden Fleece from deflecting her own attacks back at her (GOW2 Novel Chapter 47).
- Yggdrasil gets Resurrection. It spat out Odin back to the land of the living after being fed up by his dead self plundering the Realms of the Dead for information.
- Kratos (and of course Atlas) gets Power Nullification via Atlas Quake for nullifying Atropos’ Sphere of Death.
- Kratos gets Sleep Manipulation via the Mystical Heirloom.
- Kratos gets Shockwave Inducement and Status Effect Inducement via Motsognir’s Call.
Scaling Changes
Currently, we have Zeus and Kratos at their peaks as both being above their prior selves during their first fight at the summit of sacrifice, who are in turn far more powerful than Poseidon and Hades. However, when you look at all of the information we have at hand, the latter part of this (that being Zeus and Kratos at the summit of sacrifice being equal) falls into doubt. Let's lay out what we know;- Zeus is capable of disposing of Hades and Poseidon, with casual lightning bolts if he ever felt like it, with both Hades and Poseidon being scared into submission by Zeus's anger.
- At his strongest right before he regained his godly powers, Kratos could fight and defeat Atropos and Lahkesis, the former of whom can damage and destroy the Blade of the Gods with her energy blasts, with said blade capable of withstanding blows from Ares. Which would put him at around the same level as the fallen God of War.
- He then took back the godly powers he once had from the Blade of Olympus. With the above information in mind, we can surmise that he's at least twice as powerful as Ares was.
- He fights Zeus and has to rely on cunning to catch him off-guard and use the Blade to drain his power.
- Kratos barely does meaningful harm and even after draining him of his power, he is hard-pressed to hold his own against Zeus at all.
- The narration of the novel puts the proverbial nail in the coffin by confirming that even after further using the Blade to weaken him, Zeus would incinerate him if his lightning bolts landed, with Zeus saying Kratos was no match for him. Only his skill and a fakeout allowed Kratos to almost defeat him.
- At the beginning of the second Titanomachy, Kratos is about on par with Poseidon when he's in the ocean and Gaia helps him in some key moments of that battle.
- Zeus this time blasts him off of the mountain.
- Later, while weakened by both the blast and the River Styx, he fights Hades on even grounds, who's received a recent boost from all the death and destruction.
In short, the new scaling chain for the Olympians will be;
Endgame Zeus = Endgame Kratos >>> Poseidon (Empowered) ~ God Kratos > Weakened God Kratos ~ Hades > Ares
As for some other changes to our scaling and tiers;
- Ares should no longer scale to Mjolnir or the Blades of Chaos justification for his tier. His new AP rating can just be:
- Low Complex Multiverse level (Is the fourth mightiest Olympian after Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades. Fought in the Titanomachy against the Titans)
- Since Kratos considers himself as having killed gods greater than Heimdall, with Mimir agreeing, Heimdall would scale to Hades in terms of power since at minimum, greater gods would mean Zeus and Poseidon (as Hercules isn't a god at all).
- Atreus' pre-godhood key... should just go. It's barebones, and very handwavey, none of the feats he has are calculated and the Dragon harming feat is unusable cause Lore and Legends, The Art of God of War, and God of War: Ragnarok confirm that dragons are on the level of the strongest Aesir. His new base state should be his Post Realized Godhood key now, and it should just scale to Valkyries like Hrist and Mist, given that he can outright fight against one of them on his own and even while younger and weaker, could take blows from Baldur and even briefly stagger him with his bow. The new tier rating would just be;
- Low Complex Multiverse level (After realizing his godhood and training for 3 years, he is comparable to Valkyries like Hrist and Mist and can outright fight against one of them on his own. Even while younger and weaker, he could stagger Baldur with his bow after the latter lost his invulnerability. Barely managed to hurt Odin with his punches, though he was swatted away after that), higher with Shapeshifting (Bit through Odin's arm in his wolf form. As Bjorn, he was able to hold his own against Spartan Rage Kratos, but Kratos eventually prevailed and would've killed him if Atreus didn't transform back to normal in time. Charged at Freya and threatened to kill her had Kratos not intervened. Easily tore apart a Valkyrie in half)
- Now, with all of the above, the scaling has changed significantly between the pantheons. Because Atreus at his peak is outright weaker than Heimdall, who would scale to being even with Hades more or less, he would be at around the level of Ares, if not slightly higher. This is important as Atreus is on par with a Valkyrie on his own and said Valkyries are inferior to Sigrun, who's on par with the rusty and weakened Kratos from before Fimbulwinter, who stated that she was the most lethal opponent that he and Atreus faced in their prior adventures, making her stronger than Baldur. In short;
Hades ~ Heimdall > 2018 Kratos >= Sigrun > Baldur ~ other Valkyries ~ Hrist and Mist ~ Atreus ~ Ares.
The current "Universal Energy System" section of the magic blog is frankly, a mess. And seeing as people have a skill issue seem to be confused on the layers of mind/soul/concept manipulation in the series, I'll be adding that as a small section as well. This is what the new page will look like (focus on everything before the Greek and Norse magic sections).
The Olympians should have far higher ranges across the board than they do now. Pretty much everything points to them having a cosmic degree of influence over nature, as a result of embodying their domains. Let's look at all their feats;
- Zeus, King of the Gods;
- Zeus can reach across the Underworld and Mortal World, as seen when he sent a worshipper's soul straight to the Underworld with a mere gesture,[24] and when he dug a hole from the Mortal World to the Underworld to allow Kratos to escape[13] with the Underworld and Mortal World, with the Underworld and Mortal World having been stated to be separate space-time continuums.
- Upon hearing that the Sisters of Fate were dead, Zeus roared in shock and disbelief, with said roar shaking the foundations of the Greek World.[11]
- Zeus threatens Ares that his lightning bolt would be able to strike even him, regardless of where Ares would go[43]
- Ares, God of War;
- His roar was powerful enough to shake the heavens and warth, with "heavens" referring to the infinite-sized Mortal World[37].
- Sent Kratos into a pocket dimension under his full control where he fights a bunch of clones of himself that can replicate his powers, like Zeus' Fury[2], as confirmed in God of War II[15] and its novel[16]. Said dimensions contained countless stars, nebulae, and a galaxy.
- Is the embodiment of War itself and all Gods of War have complete control over all forms of war, battle, and conflict across all of space and time[1].
- Hades;
- Can reach across the Human World from the Underworld, with the Underworld and Mortal World having been shown to be separate space-time continuums.
- Is everpresent throughout the Underworld, and can control it at will as well as summon monsters wherever Kratos is.
TL; DR
- Some new power additions and removals for Kratos and a few other characters.
- The Olympians and Aesir/Vanir are a lot more even in power than we give them credit for. Pre-Endgame Greek Kratos no longer oneshots people he visibly has to put his all into fighting.
- The Magic System page is a mess, we fixed it up.
- The Olympians as a baseline should have Universal+ range.
- No more "Low 1-C, possibly far higher" stuff.
Agree: 11 (UchihaSlayer96, LephyrTheRevanchist, Theglassman12, KingTempest, Maverick_Zero_X, Elizhaa, LordGriffin1000 (Disagrees with Atlas Quake power nullification), KLOL506, noninho, SYPHe5D, Eseseso)
Disagree: 0
Neutral: 0
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