Glass Joe vs Dan Hibiki (G R A C E)

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Except neither can Joe, because he loses. He is the bottom in a long long list of people better than him that still get beat by Mac. So unless Mac is holding back immensely and we assume he's the same from start to end in the game, either Joe compares to the stronger fighters or it is game mechanics because no matter how weak he is, giving you a fight where he does nothing makes no sense.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Still doesn't negate the fact he still is fighting with the world champion.

Wth does this even mean? People fought with Tyson and got laid out in the first round. This obviously makes them on par with Tyson.

 

[Buttersamuri]

It isn't game mechanic. Punch out went out of their way to make sure it was St. Statements from doc about winning his belt back, animations, win loss records, it doesn't ever show a game over you Lose screen, and you can only beat the game by losing 3 times by the end.

 

[Lonkitt]

It isn't game mechanic. Punch out went out of their way to make sure it was St. Statements from doc about winning his belt back, animations, win loss records, it doesn't ever show a game over you Lose screen, and you can only beat the game by losing 3 times by the end.

Don't remember when losing the game was considered canon.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I am not sure what are you even talking about. Try and explain better please.

Do you think lack of a game over screen means a game isn't a game? Are you out of your bloody mind? Either Joe is laughably below Mac by virtue of being the weakest in a long succession of enemies Mac smacks on his way to the top, or he isn't and his profile is an utter lie and needs go be changed. Decide, you are going nowhere with these empty statements.

 

[Buttersamuri]

You have to lose. That's literally how the game ends. You have to lose the game in order to beat it. There isn't any way around that. If you want the ending game scene and the credits to roll. You must lose

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

You have an extremely skewed and confusing view of what is considered canon. Obviously a game ends if you lose - because you lose. Doesn't change that in the story proper, Mac is above everyone else by the end.

 

[Buttersamuri]

No. You aren't getting it. You need to lose the boxing fights to win the game. That's literally what is canon. Mac retires after losing. And that's how the game canonically ends. My view isn't skewed. You just aren't getting it. This isn't a "Game over you lose". No. In the canonically ending; Mac loses and retires. That's literally how the game has to end. You can't keep fighting until you win the game cause there isn't an end that way. The one actual canon ending is Mac loses and retires

 

[Lonkitt]

The canon ending to the game is Mac just kinda winning all of those championships...you don't have to get a game over for the "true canon ending" or something.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

oH, wOW! lOok At gLAsS JOe'S aMAziNG fIgHtINg sTyLe OF aVoiDIng geTTiNg pUncHEd iN tHE FAcE!!

It's not like Dan invented a ******* martial art or anything.

 

[Buttersamuri]

It's still canon. That's how Macs story ends. He restores after losing. They even show the future with a museum dedicated to him. And doc says it was a good run. Then The game end. The credits roll. And that's it

 

[Buttersamuri]

oH, wOW! lOok At gLAsS JOe'S aMAziNG fIgHtINg sTyLe OF aVoiDIng geTTiNg pUncHEd iN tHE FAcE!!

It's not like Dan invented a ******* martial art or anything.

Invented a pretty bad martial arts vs Can dodge counter and react a world champion boxer

 

[Lonkitt]

oH, wOW! lOok At gLAsS JOe'S aMAziNG fIgHtINg sTyLe OF aVoiDIng geTTiNg pUncHEd iN tHE FAcE!!

It's not like Dan invented a ******* martial art or anything.

Invented a pretty bad martial arts vs Can dodge counter and react a world champion boxer

Maybe it's a pretty bad style compared to the SF cast, but in real life, I'm pretty sure throwing energy projectiles and rolling around like you're goddamn Sonic is quite impressive. Especially compared to some guy who only knows boxing.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Dan is considered a weakling in the Street Fighter universe.

Glass Joe is considered a weakling in the Punch Out!! universe.

Punch Out!! is Tier 9.

Street Fighter is Tier 7.

Dan is skilled enough to fight with opponents far more powerful than him, even if he doesn't win.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Anyways, I can't do this forever. I need to sleep. Goodnight.

 

[Buttersamuri]

You continue to try and scale Dan to something he doesn't. Dan isn't Tier 7. And he doesn't scale to the slightest. He is tier 9. Like punch out. Don't try using that argument

 

[ElixirBlue]

Dodges Little Mac's Punch at close range

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

A pretty bad martial arts with throws, all manner of kicks you would see people doing expertly after years of training, punches, hooks, elbow and knee strikes, flying kicks, etc. He's against people that can shot energy attacks, fly and fodderize normal people like a person crushing ants. His style being considered "bad" is the most useless counterpoint you could try.

 

[Lonkitt]

We never said he was Tier 7, but he doesn't need that to win since we've already made our points clear.

 

[Buttersamuri]

I'm not talking to you. Big smoke keeps bringing up SF is tier 7 and punch out is tier 9. Like that has any bearing at all. Even though dan literally scales in no way

 

[Lonkitt]

A pretty bad martial arts with throws, all manner of kicks you would see people doing expertly after years of training, punches, hooks, elbow and knee strikes, flying kicks, etc. He's against people that can shot energy attacks, fly and fodderize normal people like a person crushing ants. His style being considered "bad" is the most useless counterpoint you could try.

^^^^^ Precisely this. I really can't see Glass Joe doing much when Dan comes at him with flying kicks.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Main reason why I think Glass Joe will win:

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

His point is that Dan is considered useless and bad by people that outclass him in every regard by leagues. Joe is considered bad by a bunch of people on his very same tier, and the weakest in a long line of those people.

 

[Buttersamuri]

But it's a pointless point. He would be massively outskilled by someone like Mac too. Joe At Least has proof he can fight with skilled people on his tier level. Dan doesn't

 

[ElixirBlue]

Dan vs Joe

Useless vs weakest

 

[Lonkitt]

But it's a pointless point. He would be massively outskilled by someone like Mac too. Joe At Least has proof he can fight with skilled people on his tier level. Dan doesn't

99 loses and 1 accidental win is not experience with 9-B people. It's experience getting stomped by 9-B people.

 

[Buttersamuri]

And again. You fail to acknowledge the point that's his past. And his current self is a far better fighter

 

[Lonkitt]

You sure? His Win Loss ratio doesn't change...well, it does...but it's a loss from the time Mac beat him.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Glass Joe: Weak compare to other boxers

Dan: clumsy, cocky, jokes around, could knock a few street thugs, which is nice.

 

[Buttersamuri]

Win loss record not changing doesn't change the fact he starts to fight someone on a new tier of skill than he usually does. He went from minor circuit to world champion. Even if he still loss. That's still one massive jump

 

[Lonkitt]

The jump seems to have no plot reliavance behind it. The story behind his return is headgear which will reduce some damage, but that even fails. Anyways, I can't keep arguing this through the night and I've already made a bunch of reasons why Dan should take this. I am content.

 

[Buttersamuri]

Doesn't change the fact Joe is suddenly more skilled. As we know Mac is vastly more skilled. And Joe is able to fight with him. He may still lose. But being able to contend a world champion is plenty skill and way beyond dan

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

He puts up any sort of a fight because he needs to or the game is useless. He barely compares to Mac when he's the weakest in a long succession of enemies that Mac also beats. So no, he's by far not more skilled.

But sure dude, you can believe whatever you want really.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Reasons to downplay Glass Joe's skill:

Mac isn't that skilled of a boxer so Joe is a bum who put on gloves.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Even better reason that you keep ignoring to suit yourself: Mac beats many, many people that are stronger than Joe, yet you would be trying to consider Joe comparable.

He gets into a "world circuit" but accomplishes nothing new, doesn't have a single new win since his accidental win and still ends up losing.

Good track record.

 

[ElixirBlue]

And then Dan?

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Considered weak by people many, many times more skilled than any human on Earth, orders of magnitude much stronger, and can actually win fights like the time he joined a small competition - until he ran into Ken, who is comparable to Ryu.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

I'm not talking to you. Big smoke keeps bringing up SF is tier 7 and punch out is tier 9. Like that has any bearing at all. Even though dan literally scales in no way

I'm not saying Dan scales to them, I'm saying if Joe went up against Ken he'd probably be killed. By accident. Dan can survive fights with Tier 7 characters, and Joe can survive fights with Tier 9 characters. They are in no way comparable.

 

[Buttersamuri]

Those have been denied for him. Their outlier. They literally can not be used.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Speaking of outliers, let's talk about how Joe isn't comparable to Big Mac.

1: Mac has fought much stronger fighters than Joe and won.

2: If Joe has 99 losses and won against Mac, that would make Mac below 99 other boxers despite the fact that he is the world champion.

3: "You're looking at his past" is an awful argument. I could literally say that to any weakness of a character. Let's say Kryptonite wasn't brought up in the last Superman comic. This obviously means Superman isn't weak to Kryptonite because we'd be looking at his past.