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Glass Joe vs Dan Hibiki (G R A C E)

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No. It isn't. I've been over this several times. It effects their win loss records, there's animations for when Joe wins. And it even shows Joe with the championship belt, which Mac has to fight him to get it back
 
Lonkitt said:
>Beat Champion Little Mac


That's not in the slightest canon
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And can you prove that? Cause here's the thing. It can be canon. Nothing stops Mac from losing and then simply winning his belt back. Cause that's what you did during the title defense when losing

And you still ignore the Fact he is still fighting with a champion. Where Dan is not even that skilled and pretty dang cocky
 
Buttersamuri said:
Lonkitt said:
>Beat Champion Little Mac


That's not in the slightest canon
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And can you prove that? Cause here's the thing. It can be canon. Nothing stops Mac from losing and then simply winning his belt back. Cause that's what you did during the title defense when losing

And you still ignore the Fact he is still fighting with a champion. Where Dan is not even that skilled and pretty dang cocky
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That's...not how the canon works...
 
Ok. So. Even though it

Effects Little Mac's win loss record for the rest of the game: it will always show that loss as his official record

It officially puts it on Joes record as a win. And it will always register and show as him having the win

It has an actual animation for Joe taking the win

And there's the showing of him while having the belt


Even tho there's all of that supporting it, and you have no other reading other than "No because". We should take your side? No. That's just wrong. Joe can canonically win.

And again yet to make any valid points against the fact Joe and beyond Dans skill just by being able to fight with, dodge, react, and counter Macs attacks. Including the famous star punch
 
Game over/lose animations don't automatically make it canon that said character can beat the other. There are games where characters VASTLY superior to grunts can fail quick-time events, and then animations play where they get beaten by said grunt characters. Does that make THEM comparable?
 
Joe beats Mac once. Stills has 99 loses and 1 win, no matter what.

Sagat feels so bad for what he has done to Dan and throws the fight.
 
Lonkitt said:
But that's the thing. There is no canon proof that Joe ever beat Mac.
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Even if you don't believe it, Joe still has 99 loses but 1 win.

Joe's 1 win wasn't given to him like Dan's.
 
Okay? But for all we know that fighter could have been absolute fodder. Why should we assure they're of Mac's tier or higher?
 
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Okay? But for all we know that fighter could have been absolute fodder. Why should we assure they're of Mac's tier or higher?
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That's presuming it was fodder. All we see are skilled fighters in Punch Out.
 
It isn't a Game over you lose animation. You literally can lose in canon and have to fight for you belt back. As in, it shows them winning the fight. It goes back to the ring. Mac now has a loss on his record. And the person he fought has his championship belt: and he has to fight to get it back. On top of that. It even changes Macs win animation, cause him winning it back gives him a new animation aside from the typical win animation. Building even further that it's canon. Even more onto that. Doc will quote literally talk about you having to win your belt back. Aka. Yes. It's even more proof it's canon. It isn't any Game over screen as the game doesn't end and just go back in time. That loss happened. It's on you record. It's something that can happen in legit canon. Wanna know what backs this up even further. The game will only canonically end when Mac losses. It doesn't matter to who. But Mac has to lose canonically for the game to end. As in, you can not finish the game. You can't get to the games actual ending, without losing.


So All of that. Pretty much says yes. It can happen
 
Wrong. 100 percent wrong. The game will literally not end until you lose. But to get the canon ending, you need to lose.

On top of that. Your just wrong, you are underplaying their skills. Every boxer has skills. That's why they can fight with the world champion. Including Joe.'
 
So what? Mac is eventually going to tire out after all those matches, so realistically he will lose at some point. Joe still likely can't beat Mac if he's healthy.
 
Mac is healthy. He doesn't do fight after fight day after day. A boxer had time to rest and recharge. Mac was always in his normal conditions when fighting. he just eventually in canon losses. You can't blame it on him tiring out cause that isn't what happens. That's just making Headcanon
 
It isn't speculation. It's just possible. There's plenty of proof and reasoning for it.

There's no proof to say Mac suddenly become unhealthy or tired out.
 
Okay, so let's say you're right. The weakest character in the verse is comparable to a national boxing champion. How does this affect the fight? Joe is still 9-B.
 
Some of these points for Joe are just... weird. Hella odd. And horrible misinterpreting.

Dan FRA's above. But he already has 3 above Joe so grace has started.
 
BigSmoke4269 said:
Okay, so let's say you're right. The weakest character in the verse is comparable to a national boxing champion. How does this affect the fight? Joe is still 9-B.
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Yes he is. And you are completely missing the point if your thinking like that. The point of it is their skill level. Joe Outskills Dan. A guy able to fight with the little world champion vs A Cocky and Pretty Bad Martial Artist. It's like if you put movie James Bond up against Barney Stinson. They have feats that put them similar in strength. But even if Barney was stronger. James outskills the heck out of him
 
He isn't a very good martial artist. That's the point of him. He is above a normal human Sure. But Joe is vastly beyond that.
 
Dan is a weakling in his verse, but in his verse there are people who sink islands by punching them really hard.

Meanwhile in Punch Out, the strongest characters are only 9-B, and Joe is considered a weakling even among them.
 
Which comes from someone he doesn't scale to. At all. Like not even less than a percentage. That is a horrible point.

And you literally are missing the point. This is about skill. Not power. They are close in power. But Skill is what matters
 
In terms of skill you have a cocky dick VS the exact opposite. Neither are that skilled. They're strong, not skilled.
 
His lack of scaling to matters squat. You are using the fact he's weak to the others like it is worth anything while those characters are many, ma y times stronger than anything in punch out. We even see Dan enter a tournament in one of the mangas, doing well until he crosses Ken who also entered. Dan is boastful and overconfident, yet he's vastly above normal people. Normal people don't shot hadouken's no matter that they are inferior to the original.

You have shown literally nothing implying this non existent skill of Joe's which is far easier chalked to combat mechanics.
 
Yes, and his streak in this world circuit is 99 loses and a win that is a complete accident. It doesn't matter if you go to the Olympics, it doesn't make trash performance less trash.
 
Your looking at the past Joe. Not the now joe. Past Joe was a minor circuit fighter and a bad one. Now Joe is a world circuit fighter
 
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