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Giving Toneri a Second Chance (Obito Style)

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KingTempest said:
Not really.

You can argue both your argument and mine, that it's
A. An inconsistency
B. Him moving it
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I agree you can argue both sides, that is what we are doing.


KingTempest said:
We see many different things in comparison to the gap. The bijuu that was next to the diameter of the cut that wasn't that big being compared to a cut that can be calced to thousands of meters in size, the sword that we can measure from, even the fragments itself, and much more.
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All of those shots occur prior to the moon separating, unless there’s another shot im not aware of. So I’m really not seeing the point of this point.


KingTempest said:
They would fly to other sides inside the moon. The artificial sun, the fortress, everything inside the moon would've been destroyed and sent flying.
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Not at all, they would just simply move with the moon. But even granting the center was in danger, it’s protected by a strong chakra that can withstand the moon’s destruction. So the center would be fine.


KingTempest said:
You can't tell me that yanking something back just to push it back to the direction you pulled it from is that insignificant from just pushing it forward.

That's like me saying that lifting a weight up 4 more meters from 4m off the ground and pushing it down 8 meters would be the same as just pushing it down 4 meters instead of pulling it up more.
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I can tell you that. The distance from earth to the moon is like 100s of 1000s of kilometers, taking on an extra 61 km (the split separation) is so insignificant. It’s like saying 180.02 cm is extremely taller than 180 cm. Like it is just isn’t significant at all. And if it was significant, I can just grandstand that the Tenseigan would pull it back together anyway.


KingTempest said:
Your arguments are "what could've happened".

You're saying likely because you have the notion that your interpretation of the split's changes were the most supported, as saying "something happened" > "it's an inconsistency".

You're looking at only the split.

Things being compared to the moon's split like Kurama, the golem, the sword, and more.

You're saying "the moon split, one time it's showed to be big, next time it's showed to be smaller, so I'll say that instead of an inconsistency, the size just changed in canon".

There are later instances of the moon split being larger than it is in later scenes, although not to the extent of hundreds of kilometers.
We see those pieces not come together, we watch the pieces stay stagnant even though they could've freely closed the gap, just like the assumption you're giving is saying.
Those didn't come together.

Saying "there's a gap and different distances, he could've pulled it together", when we see another gap with different distances and we don't see those pieces move together should say something
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No matter how many times you attempt to misrepresent my argument by saying I’m arguing “what could’ve happened” doesn’t change the fact I’m arguing “what likely happened”.

I’ve already addressed why the argument that the sword, Kurama, and the golem being compared to the split is facetious. But I’ll do it again.

1) unless you think that the moon is much much much smaller than our moon, that comparison simply does not work.

2) Kurama, the golem, and the width of the blade are never compared to the widest of the split at all.

3) When viewing light emitting objects from a distance at which they cannot be optically resolved (as is with the far away shot of the moon split), you cannot resolve the object’s size by just looking at the light. I’m sure you’ve looked at street lights and have noticed the light flare beyond the street light itself, it’s just like that.


KingTempest said:
There are dozens of different ways to comment on the size of the technique, aka the sword.
The sword's width being the split distance, as we see every part the light touches is destroyed.
Noticing its dimensions and looking at the outline of the blade vs the small light coming from the sides of it
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This point fails because that’s a close up of the blade, you can optically resolve it. My point is exclusive to the far away shots where it cannot be so easily resolved.
 
Why not just figure out the beam size when Naruto is charging it? Isn't it like only 3 Naruto lengths or something?
 
KingogKings777 said:
Why not just figure out the beam size when Naruto is charging it? Isn't it like only 3 Naruto lengths or something?
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The beam size isn’t uniform, it’s thinner by Toneri’s hand than it is at the tip, it’s like a really long slice of pizza
 
I agree, and already having the toner move the moon comfortably isn't that a feat enough for the 5c? (and I should add that the movie's toner wants to destroy the world and this seen as a serious danger as a minor supporting argument)
 
Ima put this in here as a reminder but here are our very own site standards for likely/possibly ratings:

"Likely should be used to list a hypothetical statistic for a character, but inconclusive due to lack of feats or viable power-scaling. Probability of said hypothetical statistic should be favourable."
"Possibly should be used to list a hypothetical statistic for a character, but inconclusive due to lack of feats or viable power-scaling. Probability of said hypothetical statistic should also be indeterminate."

I feel like this is very pertinent and relevant to this thread. I’d be willing to concede on the calc being reinstated and if it ever goes on profiles having it as a “likely/possibly” rating. I’m also willing to just keep debating the topic.
 
Damage3245 said:
I'm fine with "Possibly" at most.
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Cool, can we then conclude this thread and I’ll ask Wrath to link this thread in his calc as the justification for it being possibly, this way we don’t forget in the future. Then I’ll put the calc on the vs page.
 
Deceived3596 said:
Deagonx, hop in VC so I can slam you on this topic 🤓
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Ah yes, VC debates, where winners and losers are determined by who interrupts faster or argues more angrily. Why take time collecting evidence or writing a structured rebuttal when you can just bicker circularly and post a 2 hour video of it on youtube.
 
It's crazy how I've never read One Piece or Naruto before but I still made you [REDACTED] in that debate.
 
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