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Giorno Giovanna vs Shiki Ryougi

Pretty much entirely dependant of how Void Shiki can sever the "origin" of things. If she can sever the concept of GER and Stand then she wins.
 
GER would kill Shiki's willpower so she wont be able to use MEODP and then GER would then give her the LOD punch to finish her off.

Infinite speed and Hax can be a pain to deal with... None of Shiki's hax would do anything to a being thats a higher dimension than her.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
GER would kill Shiki's willpower so she wont be able to use MEODP and then GER would then give her the LOD punch to finish her off.
Infinite speed and Hax can be a pain to deal with... None of Shiki's hax would do anything to a being thats a higher dimension than her.
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Good thing Giorno is lower than her.
 
void shiki is potentially at least low 2-c. everything about her is essentially speculation, it's not a very good match imo.
 
Shiki's hype says she can win she could kill the concept of stands so they never existed to begin with which im pretty sure is beyond Giorno's negation ability.
 
SaberLily015 said:
Shiki's hype says she can win she could kill the concept of stands so they never existed to begin with which im pretty sure is beyond Giorno's negation ability.
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Shiki's 3rd Personality can't even compete with Servant on equal terms. ATE is out of her league too.
 
Yamatohime said:
SaberLily015 said:
Shiki's hype says she can win she could kill the concept of stands so they never existed to begin with which im pretty sure is beyond Giorno's negation ability.
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Shiki's 3rd Personality can't even compete with Servant on equal terms. ATE is out of her league too.
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She can't physically not hax wise and this varies between work to work as she defeats nearly 100 servants in Fate/Extra (Written by Nasu)
 
SaberLily015 said:
She can't physically not hax wise and this varies between work to work as she defeats nearly 100 servants in Fate/Extra (Written by Nasu)
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Moon Cell is the place where the information can create more powerful being compared to reality via information manipulation (that's why it's possible for Neron, EMIYA and Tamamo to win the battle versus Arcuied). But even Servant version of Shiki had no hope to defeat Amaterasu.
 
SaberLily015 said:
She can't physically not hax wise and this varies between work to work as she defeats nearly 100 servants in Fate/Extra (Written by Nasu)
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Nasu's statements are far than higly contradictory. (so, it should be better to forget them)
 
Does Shiki need to activate her ability to 'kill' anything? If so, GER's infinite speed and negation abilities should kick in before she gets a chance to do anything. Also, are we on the assumption that GER is automactically activated when the fight begins? Otherwise, Shiki stomps.
 
Sir Ovens said:
Does Shiki need to activate her ability to 'kill' anything? If so, GER's infinite speed and negation abilities should kick in before she gets a chance to do anything. Also, are we on the assumption that GER is automactically activated when the fight begins? Otherwise, Shiki stomps.
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This.

Also GER should be automatically activated in VS threads unless OP specifies not too. Or it turns on the moment Shiki shows herself to be a threat to Giorno.
 
ThisIsMySwagPack said:
Has GER ever negated conceptual manipulation?
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Not sure. Probably not.

Either way GER would take the steps needed to ensure Shiki wont pull off her MEODP move at all.

A better question is this. Will Shiki even be able to use any of her abilitites against someone who has infinite speed and can instantly kill her via LOD punch?
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
A better question is this. Will Shiki even be able to use any of her abilitites against someone who has infinite speed and can instantly kill her via LOD punch?
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Well, her Speed is rated as Unknown. But if we are gonna power-scaled she should be likely Immensurable. Also if we are going by: who is more higher in terms of dimensional being, then Shiki.
 
Likely is not enough to convince me. Make a thread or show me proof on why Shiki would be immeseaurable, also why she is a higher dimensional being than GER.
 
mm, I don't agree with suddenly making Shiki Immeasurable, like I said void shiki is completely featless, so unknown is better

if her powers are of a glass cannon nature where she can only tap into that power.. she's badly outclassed here with her usual stats
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
also why she is a higher dimensional being than GER.
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Well, being the avatar of higher dimensional being (At least 6-D) should't make her too slow/weak compared to the being itslef.

Also, stop saying 4-D GER, after all, all chaarcter with Low 2-C AP are 4-D (at least in terms of power)
 
No, not all Low 2-C characters are 4 dimensional. Janemba himself is even a solid 2-C yet he is still only 3 dimensional. One can only be 4D if they are able to transcend space/time.

Being an avatar =/= having stats identical to creator of avatar.

Unless some solid feats/statements prove her to be immeasurable or 5D then GER takes the win
 
Universe level+: ("Low 2-C") This is for characters who can destroy and/or create the entire 4-dimensional space-time of one universe, not just the physical matter within one.

a.k.a: a 4-D power in term of AP.

1 - I didn't say it should have identical stats.

Also, her conceptual destruction should more than capable of annihilate GER.
 
Conceptual Destruction requires actions to pull off. GER negates these actions stopping it from happening. It then uses its infinite speed to overwhelm Ryougi via LOD punch.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
GER negates these actions stopping it from happening.
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GER negates actions to it.

Also, you are implaying that GER can negates conceptual destruction which is a NFL.
 
No, not the conceptual manipulation. Shiki must perform actions to activate those powers. If GER can simply stop the activation then it technically negates it.
 
The problem is the next one. GER only negates actions to it.

For example, when King Crimson was doing its thing, GER negates the effect.

But, for exaple, if faces an oponent with a non direct attack (conceptual manipulation), GER shouldn't be able to negate it, because it isn't directed to it.

At least that's how i see it.
 
KamiYasha said:
The problem is the next one. GER only negates actions to it.
For example, when King Crimson was doing its thing, GER negates the effect.

But, for exaple, if faces an oponent with a non direct attack (conceptual manipulation), GER shouldn't be able to negate it, because it isn't directed to it.

At least that's how i see it.
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GER also is able to negate actions as well. Not only effects as shown within the stand description. Therefore any movements that Ryougi would perform that GER deems threatning would be nullified. Plus the whole willpower removal kinda stops her from doing anything at all.

Also is Void Ryougi capable of killing concepts only through MEODP? Because if so she will never be able to use it against GER due this "Her ability requires to hit the opponent in a certain fashion to kill them with MEoDP (be it in melee or a well-aimed throw)"
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
Also is Void Ryougi capable of killing concepts only through MEODP? Because if so she will never be able to use it against GER due this "Her ability requires to hit the opponent in a certain fashion to kill them with MEoDP (be it in melee or a well-aimed throw)"
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No, that's Base Shiki.

In the case of Void Shiki it's Unknown.

But regarding something that i just notice. GER's ability is just Nullification of Cause and Effect, but that is the thing... GER shouldn't be capable of Nullify Shiki's actions. Mainly because she is part of "it" or:

"Spiral of origin, its where all cause and effect begin, where everything and nothing exist, that is my true identity. Even though we are just connected, but since I am part of it, I am too an equivocal existence, right?"
 
Yeah I think so as well. Unless Ryogi is above the laws of cause and effect thereby granting her the win.

The sentance you provided is fairly ambigous if it shows she is acasual or not.As it can be seen as her being above it or her being just connected to cause and effect. Kinda unknown tbh. Plus that sentance is not anywhere in her profile at all. If you could link a source that would be nice.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
No, not all Low 2-C characters are 4 dimensional. Janemba himself is even a solid 2-C yet he is still only 3 dimensional. One can only be 4D if they are able to transcend space/time.
Being an avatar =/= having stats identical to creator of avatar.

Unless some solid feats/statements prove her to be immeasurable or 5D then GER takes the win
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Being Avatar means you get a backup from your master obviously. Unless you want to argue that Giorno is stronger than Akasha.
 
ThisIsMySwagPack said:
Being Avatar means you get a backup from your master obviously. Unless you want to argue that Giorno is stronger than Akasha.
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Akasha support it's avatars only under certain conditions like somebody trying to reach the Root.
 
Yamatohime said:
ThisIsMySwagPack said:
Being Avatar means you get a backup from your master obviously. Unless you want to argue that Giorno is stronger than Akasha.
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Akasha support it's avatars only under certain conditions like somebody trying to reach the Root.
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Since when does Akasha have multiple avatars? Also she wouldn't allow someone to just kill off its avatar
 
But this fight is just Shiki vs Giorno. Akasha being involved would just count as outside help.

Examples of this is when if a character is facing Metatron YHVH being involved is not allowed.

Plus this fight has already got inconclusive anyways.
 
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