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gildedguy vs garou (8-6-0)

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@Epic 8-C+ RWBY characters oneshot 8-C grimm in-canon, SU 7-As oneshot other SU 7-As dwspite the numerical gap between them being less than 100 megatons, etc
 
Unless there is a stated numerical difference you cannot automatically a sume a character is multiple times stronger than another character just becausw they can oneshot them
 
@WeeklyBattles

That happens in every verse but we still have rough estimations on what is considered strong enough to one-shot in verses match ups, if we already consider a 3x AP difference neglible in verses matches and Garou canonically deflected attacks that would one-shot him then Garou should logically be able to deflect GG's attacks.

It's that simple
 
Dienomite22 said:
@WeeklyBattles
That happens in every verse but we still have rough estimations on what is considered strong enough to one-shot in verses match ups, if we already consider a 3x AP difference neglible in verses matches and Garou canonically deflected attacks that would one-shot him then Garou should logically be able to deflect GG's attacks.

It's that simple
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This.
 
From what I've been told there is a limit to what garou can deflect, such as darkshine being too strong for him to deflect
 
Also no, we do not apply versus matchup numbers to actual verses. The 7.5x gap to oneshot in a thread does bot apply to anything else.
 
Darkshine could one-shot with the tackle shit and negate Garou's deflection iirc and it doesn't matter, the ap difference is only 3x.
 
Dienomite22 said:
Darkshine could one-shot Garou iirc and it doesn't matter, the ap difference is only 3x.
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Not only he could, he almost did. It only didn't work since Garou had type 2 immortality at that point.
 
And what you need to realize is, he fought Darkshine after:

  • Fighting Metal Bat, getting whooped by Watchdog Man, oneshot into unconsciousness by Saitama, fighting multiple A and B class heroes, getting poisoned, fighting Genos, fighting Bang, resting for a bit, nowhere near full health, fought two people comparable to him, "died", one shot the person who "killed" him, fought an S-Class threat, fought Orochi, fought Darkshine, "lost", and beat him into literal insecurity.
He was nowhere near 100% when he fought Darkshine.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Epic 8-C+ RWBY characters oneshot 8-C grimm in-canon, SU 7-As oneshot other SU 7-As dwspite the numerical gap between them being less than 100 megatons, etc
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In that case we can:

1.Change the wiki so that now every match where a character is 2x stronger will be a one-shot

2.dismiss that as weird scalling/inconsistency/uncommon verse rule/ or weakpoint targetting.(assuming they hit a vital organ with a weapon,or the character was unaware and left their guard down.)

3.apply that to just this match so a character gets an unfair advantage
 
Yes you can in fact deflect attacks from someone stronger then you

Its a deflect, you are not forcefully stopping it, just reflecting that damage away.
 
@WeeklyBattles

And on the Darkshine case, he hardcountered Garou's attacks with his body technique and was vastly stronger than him that just launching his body at Garou caused him to nearly die.
 
How much you can reflect depends on your grade of WSRSF. Bang could easily reflect attacks by Darkshine, who is physically stronger than both Bang and Garou in every way, but Garou couldn't because he wasn't a master at it.

Garou got from 7-A to High 6-A in a fight that took 3 panels or so.
 
Garou can reflect attacks stronger than him, but only up to a certain point. An exact number or multiplier or whatnot is never given.
 
Garou can bring his stats up to 6-A via reactive evolution which would be enough to AP stomp GG so it seems like it should matter.
 
Phoenks said:
Garou can bring his stats up to 6-A via reactive evolution which would be enough to AP stomp GG so it seems like it should matter.
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AP is capped at 7-A.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Also just want to point out that a few-seconds amped Gildedguy oneshot jade who is 300+ tons
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False, unarmed gildedguy and jade were exchanging blows and dodging eachother equally, the fight took 3 minutes and jade was still winning until gildedguy started wrecking her museum and landed a swordblow straight to her chin while she let her guard down to avoid her statue being knocked over.
 
Epiccheev said:
WeeklyBattles said:
Also just want to point out that a few-seconds amped Gildedguy oneshot jade who is 300+ tons
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False, unarmed gildedguy and jade were exchanging blows and dodging eachother equally, the fight took 3 minutes and jade was still winning until gildedguy started wrecking her museum and landed a swordblow straight to her chin while she let her guard down to avoid her statue being knocked over.
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i pointed that out in an earlier post but weekly said he was thinking of a diffrent fight but hasnt supplied a link to it yet.

votes updated.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
The fact that you keep bringing up GG's stat amps, RE, and skill when we've established multiple times it's far inferior is what I don't understand.
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Gildedguy's skill being far inferior is false. If anything they're equal in skill. This was already established far above.
 
Nico-v11 said:
Gildedguy's skill being far inferior is false. If anything they're equal in skill. This was already established far above.
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All that was established was that Garou can't copy GG's attacks because sword and that GG is a "brawler". Basically everyone agreed that Garou has better skill unless I missed the post that explain or showing GG's feats.

The only thing that was giving GG the edge was his 3x AP advantage and durability being higher than that to my knowledge, but that has been established to be nothing that Garou can't deal with.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Some of Gildedguys feats include:

Beating Jade, who is widely recognized as the most skilled member of the Nemesis Clan of which each member on their own is a master fighter capable of taking on entire armies of other master fighters and includes members like Umbrella, who was able to solo almost all of Nemesis, and Benjamin (RHG) who...well ill let his intelligence section speak for itself.

He also beat Bog, who in turn beat Blue, who is one of the most skilled swordsmen in the entire verse
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He got his ass handed to him by Jade and beat her by destroying shit that she cared for distracting her while he grabs his sword and hits her (yes, I know he left his sword at the entrance). This wasn't even a real battle.

He never beat Bog and the only way he survived that fight was because Bog couldn't get the mind shit to work on GG making them stalemate.

And anyway these aren't impressive by themselves, many verses have characters who beat armies of skilled warriors who can indiviually beat armies of skilled warriors but that doesn't mean they are super skilled on that bases alone, nothing here shows me anything that would put GG's skill on Garou's level.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
To quote Nico:

"Ok so as far as RHG skill is concerned let me put it this way. Imagine a verse where absolutely EVERYTHING relies on fighting. The very purpose of a character's existence is to fight. As a result you have characters that have displayed a metric **** ton of different abilities, skills, weapons, martial arts, and fighting styles.

All of this plus all of these characters fighting between each other meaning most of them have varied experience of fighting unorthodox opponents of all kinds. Take someone like FLFFL (no Profile yet). Who has over ten official battles in RHG which means he's fought enemies with tentacles, STUPIDLY HIGH speed amps, explosive Yo-yos, weaponized umbrellas that are also guns, hand to hand fighter experts, bow experts, and much more.

Even fighting the guy with the umbrellas is a high skill feat since that guy has fought a whole other load of varied and skilled characters of all kinds."


Gilded guy has fought and outmatched one of the most skilled veteran fighters in the entire verse as well as fought and stalemate a guy who skills topped another of the most skilled fighters
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From here too (lol me quoting Weekly quoting me)
 
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