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>"I can agree on that front, we dont know what exactly it could be (even though everything points to it being fate manipulation, and causality manipulation is actually wrong in this case, or at least in the manner GER uses it so that's a no go, at least for this specifiv attribute, but that'd matter little all things considered) Although seeing as GER is talking about afte in context, GER is supposed to represent overcoming fate, and Part 5 is about fate, and Diavolo's death is supposed to be about him never reaching his fate, I dont know why you're having trouble figuring out what type of power was actually in play."
Nothing points to fate manip, the power is described by some interpretable words in GER's Stand stats. What GER talks about has do to with its ability before that, if you want to claim it has do with this one then good for you, but that's holds no water. Whatever representing something has nothing to do with the specific way the powers of a character work given the sheer meaning of represent, even removing this part of its power Part 5 and GER still represent their stuff very well. Diavolo's never going to reach his fate anyway as he was defeated, using that as a point does nothing.
>"I'd also like to point out that GER's power isnt causality manipulation, it's just something he can do with his main power. In the same vain he can manipulate someone's fate. Dont forget that him being able to do c&e manip doesnt mean he cant do other things. And he's shown to do other things."
For the most part, Stands have one ability (as stated by the verse itself) and other powers they have are an extension of that. Is that a good point? No, it means little to nothing, but it's still far more context than what something is meant to represent, that seriously means nothing.
>"As for pocket reality manipulation, that isnt even implied or hinted at, in anything, ever, like, I cant even think of noncanon things where that's implied, hinted at or stated, not even in interviews with Araki. Why are you bringing up much less likely alternatives to something that's supported by more than just a simple guess? Especially when fate manipulation, at least to some extent is supported by not only what GER says, what GER means, what GER is, what happens to Diavolo in the end, what happens to Diavolo is supposed to mean and Part 5 as a whole. Let's be real here Eficiente. Everything but it being written on a piece of paper and shoved down your throat is done to imply that he has at least some goverment over fate. And we dont always need a super in depth explanation to go yeah, a character can do that."
It is implied, stuff happens and will keep happening to Diavolo in a place that isn't reality, and that's due GER's power. Thus, GER could be making that happen in a another reality, simple as that. Fate manip isn't any more likely than this. As for the last part, the same can be said about less convoluted powers, but those require less assumptions.
>"Yes, unfortunatly that didnt happen to Diavolo in question, and that's also not how that works at all? Having will power nulled doesnt mean youre going to be killed 100% guranteed by something out of your control, especially when Diavolo doesnt want that to happen so it aint because of him."
What are you even saying there? I didn't say that having the willpower power nulled means the target's going to be killed 100% guranteed, I said that 'cuz the target has its willpower nulled it can be said the same GER's Stand stats say. At times Diavolo couldn't even more move and we never even see him use his Stand, does that mean anything related to this? Maybe.
>"And are you screwing with me? Diavolo himself deduces that it's happening because of GER, not reality, and we know it's happening because of GER's powers, not the universe. If youre gonna bring up alternatives, do so with something that isnt denied by the source material."
Bro, if after dying Diavolo were to kill himself or get killed by Mista he could still deduce that that it's happening because of GER, 'cuz GER started everything. As in, if anything were to happen to him he could still do that. I said the realm itslef doing that as a possibility as this will happen to Diavolo forever but Giono himself isn't immortal. But hey, here's something interesting, Giorno was said to have its power forever, which is poetic in the sense that, again, he's not immortal.
Nothing points to fate manip, the power is described by some interpretable words in GER's Stand stats. What GER talks about has do to with its ability before that, if you want to claim it has do with this one then good for you, but that's holds no water. Whatever representing something has nothing to do with the specific way the powers of a character work given the sheer meaning of represent, even removing this part of its power Part 5 and GER still represent their stuff very well. Diavolo's never going to reach his fate anyway as he was defeated, using that as a point does nothing.
>"I'd also like to point out that GER's power isnt causality manipulation, it's just something he can do with his main power. In the same vain he can manipulate someone's fate. Dont forget that him being able to do c&e manip doesnt mean he cant do other things. And he's shown to do other things."
For the most part, Stands have one ability (as stated by the verse itself) and other powers they have are an extension of that. Is that a good point? No, it means little to nothing, but it's still far more context than what something is meant to represent, that seriously means nothing.
>"As for pocket reality manipulation, that isnt even implied or hinted at, in anything, ever, like, I cant even think of noncanon things where that's implied, hinted at or stated, not even in interviews with Araki. Why are you bringing up much less likely alternatives to something that's supported by more than just a simple guess? Especially when fate manipulation, at least to some extent is supported by not only what GER says, what GER means, what GER is, what happens to Diavolo in the end, what happens to Diavolo is supposed to mean and Part 5 as a whole. Let's be real here Eficiente. Everything but it being written on a piece of paper and shoved down your throat is done to imply that he has at least some goverment over fate. And we dont always need a super in depth explanation to go yeah, a character can do that."
It is implied, stuff happens and will keep happening to Diavolo in a place that isn't reality, and that's due GER's power. Thus, GER could be making that happen in a another reality, simple as that. Fate manip isn't any more likely than this. As for the last part, the same can be said about less convoluted powers, but those require less assumptions.
>"Yes, unfortunatly that didnt happen to Diavolo in question, and that's also not how that works at all? Having will power nulled doesnt mean youre going to be killed 100% guranteed by something out of your control, especially when Diavolo doesnt want that to happen so it aint because of him."
What are you even saying there? I didn't say that having the willpower power nulled means the target's going to be killed 100% guranteed, I said that 'cuz the target has its willpower nulled it can be said the same GER's Stand stats say. At times Diavolo couldn't even more move and we never even see him use his Stand, does that mean anything related to this? Maybe.
>"And are you screwing with me? Diavolo himself deduces that it's happening because of GER, not reality, and we know it's happening because of GER's powers, not the universe. If youre gonna bring up alternatives, do so with something that isnt denied by the source material."
Bro, if after dying Diavolo were to kill himself or get killed by Mista he could still deduce that that it's happening because of GER, 'cuz GER started everything. As in, if anything were to happen to him he could still do that. I said the realm itslef doing that as a possibility as this will happen to Diavolo forever but Giono himself isn't immortal. But hey, here's something interesting, Giorno was said to have its power forever, which is poetic in the sense that, again, he's not immortal.