Genshin : Causality Manipulation For Fate Manipulation Users

[MSahla]

As the title says, every Fate manip users in Genshin should have Causality Manipulation.

Because Causality is irreversibly attached to fate, and whatever fate changes will also alter the cause and effect:

Causality Manipulation is one of the possible uses in Fate Manipulation page, and that possibility do exist in Genshin.

These are the Fate Manipulation users:

• Descender Physiology
• Raiden Shogun
• Columbina
• Nibelung
• Rhinedottir

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Agree:
SomebodyData + TWILIGHT-OP + Reiner04 (Limited + Non-Combat Applicable)
AsterReal - Furina003 - InfiOthinus - AyOgUyS - LoudestProcedure

Neutral:


Disagree:

 

[AsterReal]

It looks good.

 

[Mbpoops]

ill wait to see any disagreements but i mean its pretty blatant lol also very similar to honkai (acheron can cut fate aka cause and effect) likely agree tho

 

[Furina003]

Yeah, I agree, because it's clear in various cases that fate is based on cause and effect.

Like when Linnea saw her entire life path until her death, everything she did was already recorded as fate.

Like Remus, who wanted to create Phobos to save his kingdom, but Phobos ended up causing his kingdom to be destroyed, as destined.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

I think this scan shows that fate and causality are connected in the setting, but it does not demonstrate actual Causality Manipulation. The statement says that cause and effect is attached to fate, which describes a relationship between concepts, not control over the cause-and-effect chain itself. In addition, the wording uses "perhaps," which makes it speculative rather than a confirmed rule.

 

[Calvz]

Hexenzirkel witches should also have it

 

[MSahla]

I think this scan shows that fate and causality are connected in the setting, but it does not demonstrate actual Causality Manipulation. The statement says that cause and effect is attached to fate, which describes a relationship between concepts, not control over the cause-and-effect chain itself. In addition, the wording uses "perhaps," which makes it speculative rather than a confirmed rule.

Well, if cause and effect/causality is attached to fate, then causality itself operates within or under fate itself. So manipulating fate would logically entail influencing the causal chain, even if indirectly.

The words “perhaps” signals uncertainty about permanence or degree, not the existence of the connection itself. So the statement basically saying the connection does exist, but whats uncertain is whether it can be undone. So it's not that the same like "this might be not true at all".

 

[InfiOthinus]

Agree

 

[Mbpoops]

Well, if cause and effect/causality is attached to fate, then causality itself operates within or under fate itself. So manipulating fate would logically entail influencing the causal chain, even if indirectly.

The words “perhaps” signals uncertainty about permanence or degree, not the existence of the connection itself. So the statement basically saying the connection does exist, but whats uncertain is whether it can be undone. So it's not that the same like "this might be not true at all".

i feel like a war veteran..

 

[MSahla]

i feel like a war veteran..

When you got brainrot:

 

[AyOgUyS]

I agree, this seems pretty blatant at first glance.

 

[SomebodyData]

Yes, it is straightforward, but without any more information, it should be treated as Limited Casuality Manipulation (Non-Combat Applicable)

 

[MSahla]

Yes, it is straightforward, but without any more information, it should be treated as Limited Casuality Manipulation (Non-Combat Applicable)

Noted.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Why & how raiden got the Fate manipulation, are we using characters in game mechanics now?
Rest i agree with DATA.

 

[MSahla]

Why & how raiden got the Fate manipulation, are we using characters in game mechanics now?

It's been a while before you become thread mod. And no, it's not from the game mechanic

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

It's been a while before you become thread mod. And no, it's not from the game mechanic

I am pretty sure someone did say something like this or similar.

Even the gods may have slim chance of affecting fate

While raiden seem to be doing it causally. Perhaps I may have to revisit some dialogues.

While I do agree for now given she has it, I may change my descision after my investigation.

 

[MSahla]

I am pretty sure someone did say something like this or similar.

While raiden seem to be doing it causally. Perhaps I may have to revisit some dialogues.

That's from Nicole's statement at the end of Sumeru's Archon Quest interlude when she talk to us for the first time.

While I do agree for now given she has it, I may change my descision after my investigation.

Here's the description from her Elemental Skill, which reveals a little bit lore about the capabilities of the Electro Archon:


And you can see how the streamer showing my comment on the screen because i recommended him to read it

Raiden's Fate Manipulation is quite simple. She can manipulate the “Inauspicious Stars” which is the Constellations. And Constellations are linked to the strings by which the Heavenly Principles manipulate the fate of human. As said in Citlali's voiceline:

The heavens control human fate like a puppeteer controls a marionette. So, the inauspicious stars themselves do not have free will

 

[Mbpoops]

All meis must cut fate

 

[Reiner04]

I have same opinion as Data

 

[LoudestProcedure]

Seems fine agree