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GER Upgrades
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>Show me the proof
Facts and Logic says "he repeats the death infinitely" he still has to create something in order to repeat it though. If you can actually show me that he doesn't need to that'd be much appreciated though.
Facts and Logic says "he repeats the death infinitely" he still has to create something in order to repeat it though. If you can actually show me that he doesn't need to that'd be much appreciated though.
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The stand stat does indeed say anyone hit by it will have even their death set to zero. But that wording doesn't mean he can put a target into a death loop without, well, a death.
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the fact is Diavolo did not even died after he get MUDA'd. he died because he was stabbed in the chest by a random person in a sewer.
At that point Diavolo was already in the death loop, hence why he managed to lose against a random guy despite King Crimson.
At that point Diavolo was already in the death loop, hence why he managed to lose against a random guy despite King Crimson.
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I'm pretty sure Diavolo was never trully killed during any of that. Lines after GER activated from Trish and Giorno seem to imply he was still alive as well.
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He was alive because his death was denied from him. That was implied by Giorno's silent look to GER.
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The death doesn't need to come from GER, but does need to happen. There has to be a first death for there to be a loop at all.
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where is it stated that i mean the other side gave us argument on diavolo beying alive now i think its fair that you give us evidence on why he was dead firstFirephoenixearl said:
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At that point Diavolo was already in the death loop, hence why he managed to lose against a random guy despite King Crimson.TriforcePower1 said:
did you really forgot about Willpower Manipulation? he has no will to fight back. and actually it's the starting point of Deathloop,not "already" in Deathloop. also there's no indication that Diavolo was already in deathloop before he get stabbed.
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That's not really GER"s power though. He just died randomly. GER didn't make Diavolo "fated to die".Alitudil0 said:
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>That's not really GER"s power though. He just died randomly. GER didn't make Diavolo "fated to die".
Ok now that is a lie. Every single death within that arc is a direct conseqence of GER's power, whether it was by him directly or his power. In fact when Diavolo was stabbed he was already within a paralel world.
Ok now that is a lie. Every single death within that arc is a direct conseqence of GER's power, whether it was by him directly or his power. In fact when Diavolo was stabbed he was already within a paralel world.
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Agreed, that random death, wasn't random, it was caused by GER. Even if indirectly. Ad infinutum even.
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ok enough of this, this specific topic should be made makking a new thread, this thread is based on what triforce has shown and the current argument whether GER does have fate manipulation which people disagrees and agrees. so the deathloop part should be made separately as it was not presented in the OP.
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One thing that really bothers me about GER's ability:
GER's ability is just simply resetting cause and effect, right? So why is Diavolo experiencing tons of different deaths, supposedly across different parallel worlds, as opposed to infinitely dying over and over in the same spot?
This leads me to believe that either Return to Zero is something much deeper than simple causality manipulation, or that the death loop is a separate ability entirely.
GER's ability is just simply resetting cause and effect, right? So why is Diavolo experiencing tons of different deaths, supposedly across different parallel worlds, as opposed to infinitely dying over and over in the same spot?
This leads me to believe that either Return to Zero is something much deeper than simple causality manipulation, or that the death loop is a separate ability entirely.
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Giorno is basically glitching Diavolo (or the Universe... or Multiple Universes...) into scenarios where he would die over, over, and over again.
That's what the ability is seemingly supposed to do.
And I honsetly think that GER's ability itself is too vague to be fully quantified/classified, and it's purpesfully left ambigous by the author for a multitude of reasons unrelated to battles between other Stands. As such, we can't really find a true explanation on how it truly works.
With this, I'm not saying that we should just say "**** it" and not try to understand what it does, I'm just syaing that trying to "reach the truth" on this argument through individual characters quotes or metaphorical phrases is pretty much pointless, and only leads to headcanons.
That's what the ability is seemingly supposed to do.
And I honsetly think that GER's ability itself is too vague to be fully quantified/classified, and it's purpesfully left ambigous by the author for a multitude of reasons unrelated to battles between other Stands. As such, we can't really find a true explanation on how it truly works.
With this, I'm not saying that we should just say "**** it" and not try to understand what it does, I'm just syaing that trying to "reach the truth" on this argument through individual characters quotes or metaphorical phrases is pretty much pointless, and only leads to headcanons.
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It isn't just causuality manipulation. That's just a pre-concieved notion that vs debating sites made up because at a simple glance yeah, that is kinda what it appears to be. Matter of the fact is, it isn't, it can perform causuality manipulation, but that isnt what it is. It's a tad more complex and ambigious then that.
Death Loop is apart of RTZ though, it's stated to be a direct consequece of it in the Stand bio. RTZ can just do a bunch of weird shit is all.
It's a case of what it shows it can do, it can do, but as it only has like 4 chapters of screentime it doesn't show much other then a few things. (unless you go composite but we're only talking canon here).
Death Loop is apart of RTZ though, it's stated to be a direct consequece of it in the Stand bio. RTZ can just do a bunch of weird shit is all.
It's a case of what it shows it can do, it can do, but as it only has like 4 chapters of screentime it doesn't show much other then a few things. (unless you go composite but we're only talking canon here).
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Causality manip is probably just another effect of rtz.GE can create life out of inanimate objects,with that ability he can also "heal".Someone who has wind manipulation can have pressure manipulation as it's linked with each other.RTZ resets even abstract things like willpower to 0,causality manip is just another thing that it can reset.
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what if GER can set your student debt to 0
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Can GER set infinity to zero?ArbitraryNumbers said:
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implygin u have infinite amount of school fees
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I'm currently writing a big blog that goes in depth trying to explain the intricacies of all the things Giorno can do, based on evidence gathered from the anime and manga. I might make a big 'ol content revision thread after this one gets finished.
That said, I'm not sure if I can contribute much more to this discussion.
That said, I'm not sure if I can contribute much more to this discussion.
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personally? i talked to severals on discord that the deathloop GER did does not require to kill someone.
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i also have the official translations guidebook regards to it.
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Guidebooks? If you mean the japanese Stand Bio, that's easy to get ahold of it, I can post it right now if ya want. Guidebooks? The only information from any guidebook talks about how GER is basiaclly a GE in full bloom, nothing on its power.Maxnumb231 said:
As for interviews, GER isnt brought up in any interviews, trust me, I read through like 30 years worth a few weeks ago, I can even link you the archive.
If you got sauce post it though.
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Do statements made by the author truly count? My best assumation is that as long as it's measurable statement. i.e. Araki stating how fast GER is
But what if it gets into ridiculous territories. "Speed is irrelevant to him" Do we take what was shown in the Manga or word of God? Is there a limit to when an Author's statements become actually non-credible to the story?
But what if it gets into ridiculous territories. "Speed is irrelevant to him" Do we take what was shown in the Manga or word of God? Is there a limit to when an Author's statements become actually non-credible to the story?
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>Is there a limit to when an Author's statements become actually non-credible to the story?
Yes
Yes
- Word of God: Often abbreviated as "WOG" or "WoG." Author, or editorial, statements about a certain franchise, and/or its characters. However, take note that if this heavily contradicts, rather than complements, reliable in-story statements or feats, we tend to disregard them
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So author statements are okay, as long as they have backing to them, and is not just an asspull.
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Araki never said that though, in fact the most Araki has talked about GER other then the manga is trivialthings like why it's head opens up.Dunderbolt said:
If you mean None, who in the **** actually even knows what that means. That's the vaguest thing Araki has ever wrote.
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I know he hasn't I probably should've clarified that as a theoretical. Just like a what-if. I should've relied on an actual example, but one couldn't pop to mind.
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weren't the different deaths in the loop the reason that he got death manipulation? and why was that removed?
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Actually, I have a question about this, too; wouldn't GER get nullified by Type 5 Acausality?
Someone was trying to argue with me that GER could defeat Kharn, whereas I believe 1-A power null powered by a Causality Transcendant being would null GER instead.
Someone was trying to argue with me that GER could defeat Kharn, whereas I believe 1-A power null powered by a Causality Transcendant being would null GER instead.
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...Yes. GER cant even bypass type 4, let alone type 5
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I just noticed GER is listed on Fate Manip page
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Type 2 as wellOblivion Of The Endless said:
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