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The application of cosmology based on the author is not very good, because it does not consider the existence of other authors. It's better to put it together but separate what is canon for the main dcu, there are many multiverses and the concept of god in DC is different, because it is not connected directly to the monitor sphere, 5th dimension, then it is only the concept of god within the sphere of the gods.
Dream concepts like JM only exist in the sphere of the gods, not applied to the monitor sphere. The voids in the sphere of the gods also varies. Gods are born in dreaming realm and JM also told about Hindu gods.
Different concepts of creation are normal, almost all gods are creators for their people. There are many gods in the sphere of the gods, such as Buddha, Brahma, Yahweh and others.
The separation of cosmology makes it complicated,like forcing a separation of cosmologies, even though it is not a difficult problem.
Just ask, I will answer every question.
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Elizio after the holiday he will create a thread to combined some the continuity other authors such as Alan Moore which will be combined with DeMatteis cosmology and also recently he has combined DC cosmology with every crisis event like C.O.I.E, zero hour, infinite crisis, final crisis, metal event and dark crisis.
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This is a poorly formatted mess of rehashing rejected arguments. "Just ask, I will answer every question" is a display of arrogance.
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Great, I like it
No, just wondering what makes it uncombinable.
if you use a cosmology blog, it's just a forced thing
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Before Elizio has already said that DC cosmology combined with all authors that will really give birth to a lot of contradictions in each comics, even with Morrison's hypertime ideas and the Metaverse it's still not enough to reconcile any existing contradictions so he prefers to separate cosmology with each authors but if that is not satisfactory then splitting the continuity with each event is a suitable one.
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That's his opinion, 4 Dimensions is not entirely about physics/geometry but also metaphysics
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Our DC Comics Cosmology page quite extensively details irreconcileable differences between different cosmologies, so we cannot stack them on top of each other just for the purpose of getting as illogically high results as possible.
Also, we have already extensively discussed these issues previously, and cannot continue to do so over and over and over.
Also, we have already extensively discussed these issues previously, and cannot continue to do so over and over and over.
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As @PrinceStories told me, the "Spiritual Cosmology" for the eventual cosmology of DeMatteis, Moore and a few others should be a good name for this.
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I'm always ready to waitYep.
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Like i said, after the holidays, we could focus for the Spiritual CosmologyI'm always ready to wait
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No problem for now we can discuss source material for spiritual cosmology after you are done with the holidays, and I would also like to see responses from knowledgeable members and staff regarding the naming spiritual cosmology.Like i said, after the holidays, we could focus for the Spiritual Cosmology
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Sure!
We need the maximum of source materials.
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I do not think that DeMatteis and Alan Moore seem to have the same type of religious worldviews at all. The former is a disciple of Meher Baba, who DeMatteis thinks is an Enlightened being, and the second is a long practitioner of spiritual magic.Yep.
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Well, I haven't read many of Alan Moore's stories, so I might be wrong, but from what I've read, they seems in line with what DeMatteis established in his stories.
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having different views doesn't mean it can't be combined, what's more I also talked about this with Elizio that will also combined vertigo cosmology between pre black label and black label. Moreover on DC Vertigo black label brings material from DeMatteis and Moore such as Sea of Brahma and The Great Darkness.
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I share the same thoughts as this. You can find plenty of ways to combine a lot of things in DC. Doesn't mean you should. DeMatteis cosmology is perfectly consistent and fine on it's on. Adding other things only inflates the tiers of those additional works.
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I agree with this.
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You mean like anti-monitor is a creation of TGD? did I see it wrong? Isn't anti-monitor just said to be cursed not created? [Here].
Hecate created the gods didn't the dream? I saw that SOG had existed before and she had gone to a darker place [dark multiverse] [Here]
The voids also vary, yahweh isn't omnipotent either, his plans don't even go beyond the voids, didn't even reach the void yama.
Spirituality is only in the sphere of the gods, that is where the gods of various beliefs are located.HereLike i said, after the holidays, we could focus for the Spiritual Cosmology
why not put it easily in the sphere of the gods but scale it under the limbo?
Spiritual/astral plane part of the collective unconscious.
"The crest of the Collective Unconscious lies above the Sphere of the Gods."put that realms above the sphere of the gods
There's nothing complicated actually
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You're right about the Anti-Monitor being cursed instead of being created by the Great Darkness. This needs to be changed.
A notable difference between DeMatteis and Crisis Cosmologies, for example, is their view of "God" which seems distinctly different. DeMatteis' vision of God contains and surpasses everything and everyone, including the Primordial Darkness (Pralaya), while in Crisis Cosmology, the Light of Creation (Overvoid/Source/Presence) is preceded by the Great Darkness.
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Now, one topic we should address is whether or not the people of the Sphere of Gods scale to their realms, or just a few of them.
From Crisis Cosmology, the New Gods transcend conventional time and their presence deforms time. Darkseid's fall casting a shadow over the multiverse is clearly a metaphor not to be taken literally, but his Godhead is a multiversal singularity with no double from other universes, with all evil consolidated into one point.
From Crisis Cosmology, the New Gods transcend conventional time and their presence deforms time. Darkseid's fall casting a shadow over the multiverse is clearly a metaphor not to be taken literally, but his Godhead is a multiversal singularity with no double from other universes, with all evil consolidated into one point.
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It's been a minute since I last read it, but I believe in Justice League Odyssey Darkseid restored and moved Apokolips back into the Sphere of Gods. Think it was issue 23 or 24 of that comic run.
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This was not his Godhead though, as his Godhead was only restored after Death Metal when all emanations were absorbed.
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It wasn't so much to say that it was his Godhead. It's more about the fact that he restored the entire thing to its full power and then moved it outside of the multiverse and back into the sphere. Though, there's likely some context I'm forgetting about it all.
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Pralaya? She didn't even cause a crisis in the multiverse. She is even defeated by the green [elemental force] and the green is the collective unconscious.
The collective unconscious is part of creation [Here], so it is impossible for Pralaya to be stronger than Perpetua and equate her with TGD.
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She is just the embodiment of emptiness, while mother night is emptiness itself
Upside down-man > pralaya.
Upside down-man is just a puppet for the great darkness [Here]
Within his dimension his power is so great that, even when empowered by all of the Parliaments working together, the Swamp Thing can only bind him temporarily:
Here Here Here Here Here
And able to kill swamp thing :
Di Sini
So there are no more difficult problems, just put them at the same level as the sphere of the gods
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Pralaya extends far above the divine realms. According to DeMatteis' stories, Pralaya is the primordial darkness from which Creation and the Creator himself emerged and to which they would return.
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After the Darkseid War events, Darkseid was reduced to a baby and in the Wonder Woman series, her daughter, Grail, had stolen the energies of several gods, including Hercules, using a Mother Box to give Darkseid the stolen energies in order to restore Darkseid again, which she partially succeeded in doing after Darkseid stole the energies of Zeus. I don't remember if I'm missing something, but at the time of JL Odyssey, Darkseid was still seeking to restore his power.
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This is gonna be really tacky as the New Gods have just about too many anti-feats, which heck, disqualifies them from being platonic/living thoughts. Although, if they're indeed platonic and have just about the same nature as the realms they inhabit, I frankly see no reason why they shouldn't scale to it. Also, the obvious problem it's mostly the 'top dogs' in these realms who've shown a level of superiority over the mortal plane and not just any inhabitants, as they do have 'civilians', if you will. So, even if they do, it should be for a named few.
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Pralaya is the embodiment of nothingness its true form is the void of Brahma itself.
Smile=brahman
Brahman is the top of the hierarchy in Hinduism, has no form and all creation comes from him.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman
The existence of a smile is beyond mahapralaya [the nothingness] [Here].
Location: Patala/underworld
[The underworld has several nations for each religion].
The sea of brahma is located in the underworld [Here] [Here] [Here] [Here] and naraka is a creation of the sea of brahma.
Pralaya was in the underworld [sphere of the gods].
Brahman/god > brahma > pralaya.
TGD > perpetua > monitor sphere > sphere of the gods[ like underworlds] > [Physical realm]
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Just make it "unknown", I don't even remember if they were able to destroy the new genesis/apocalypse
Darkseid's true form [with amp] is placed the same as the overvoid avatar, namely the source. That means he is equal to yahweh if you agree
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In John's comics nothing about this. Destruction of physical plane is her peak
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In comic Doctor fate Vol 2, through the statement Lord of Chaos, it is very clear that the sea of Brahma will swallow all creation, including order and chaos. That means pralaya is also far superior to the divine realms.
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That was MahaPralaya, but not Pralaya (she's been in Dark League 1 Vol). Btw, divine realms>lords, but in DF context limited to the realm of lords.
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There is not a single piece of evidence that shows that the divine realms>order and chaos, in fact they are entities that from their interactions emerged whole worlds and creation including divine realms
