I'll even say more, Vertigo characters appeared in DC before Vertigo himself
Purely technically and lore-wise, Bleed has always existed, although it was introduced later, and not even in DC comics. This does not in any way cancel the cosmological structure
Bleedspace is present in John's comics. Secondly, I start from the scale and concept of the character, so that MT exists in the SOG is more than obvious.
These are different characters. And The Presence's name is Yahweh
This is being handled after the Crisis cosmology is finalized.
I completely agree with this. While Dan Didio and Jim Lee's "canon over continuity" ideology gave DC writers more freedom to write their stories without any strict continuity, it was quite a mess in terms of constructing a coherent cosmology, hence why I find that "continuity over canon" would be more appropriate for this situation. Yes, there were ways to reconcile the canons, but those means themselves have been used inconsistently by writers over the years, Hypertime being a good example. Some of Morrison's ideas for Hypertime are now obsolete and most of them weren't even mentioned in the comics (or they were very vague mentions), although some still work well, but most have been abandoned. A composite cosmology might not work very well as there are notable contradictions and using the headcanon to try to reconcile them is not the best option in my opinion, it would mean eliminating the works of certain authors like most old stories of Neil Gaiman, Mike Carey, DeMatteis and some others, since most of their information is outdated compared to current canon.
Honestly, I'm torn. It's not that I don't think a valid argument could be made or that I don't think anyone should be allowed to explore it as a CRT, but we have a recent influx of users making very poorly formatted CRTs with unacceptably bad English posting many in quick succession and it's become very tiresome.
I’m fine with that. If not, then a topic ban should suffice at the bare minimum. The thing is, the combination of:
Yeah, restrict them for now.
I agree, the first is a whataboutism, the second while ongoing does not look there is actual qualification to meet his criteria. And 3rd I don't need to talk about; someone attempted a Heroes Goku Vs Thought Robot to basically test its legitimacy but was closed as a stomp in one way or the other regardless of 5D Vs 6D arguments.
I do not mind a discussion rule against rehashed threads about merging the DC Comics cosmology again, but there do seem to exist some valid points for upgrading the DeMatteis cosmology, so we should at least properly finish our discussion about that before we do anything drastic.
The usual cosmology with multiple authors, there is nothing unusual or outstanding in this, but for some reason, this problem only applies to the DC universe. And I have never seen any compelling evidence or arguments why this should apply only to her, with the exception of repeated and cliched phrases about the logic and canonicity of another universe, in which there are also contradictions and illogical compositions. If you really want to try to lower the level of cosmology by specifically dividing cosmologies into different authors, then for starters, don't try to pretend that there are no contradictions in other multi-author universes.
This is a favorite theme of people trying to appeal that if something is not indicated in the cosmology of one author, then it does not exist in him. Bleed was not created in DC, and has not been mentioned in past comics, but has always existed as a construct in which universes float. Some of the Endless appeared in later comics, but they also always existed and existed from the very beginning of cosmology, Destiny appeared back in 1972, although Morpheus was invented later, does this deny the existence of Morpheus in parallel with Destiny? Of course not.The problem is not that there are contradictions, but a lack of understanding that the cosmological structure is revealed as more and more recent information is released. By the way, in TES, the entire cosmology as it is at the moment was also not initially thought out, they expanded and changed, which does not prevent it from being compiled into a cosmological level.
Has anything changed much? The heavens appeared and were shown on the map. Pralaya has also appeared in some comics. Lucifer also appeared in Crisis. The fact that a newer one replaced an old one does not in any way cancel the old one. Otherwise, we can throw out all the old appearances of Darkseid and Doomsday, because Darkseid was not previously listed as Platonic Evil, and Doomsday was not a multiversal parasite resurrecting himself in the higher dimensions?
Sandman originally appeared in DC. Destiny appeared in 1972. Here you need to ask a counter question, who is more canonical, Dc, which created Vertigo characters, or Vetrigo, which uses Dc characters? Yahweh or his voice appeared in Pre-Crisis DC. Does this somehow contradict Vertigo? Or will there be some clear and normal evidence that Vertigo really has a different cosmology, different from Dc?
This is a problem with any multi-author work. DC is so far the only universe in which I have seen a division of cosmology, turning a blind eye to other universes with multiple authors.
You haven't given a single argument against the thread. You ignore and don't answer questions. And are you still dissatisfied with something?
That doesn't make sense, cause the overvoid contains infinite multiverses.[Here]
If these arguments were worthwhile, then fine, but when they are based on “there is no recursion, because the word “recursion” is not specified” or “the dream simply continues the previous one, without having a qualitative difference,” then people will get involved in the discussion. What else to do when nonsense is postulated?
You have already offered these complaints, and they weren't accepted with good reason.
The application of cosmology based on the author is not very good, because it does not consider the existence of other authors. It's better to put it together but separate what is canon for the main dcu, there are many multiverses and the concept of god in DC is different, because it is not connected directly to the monitor sphere, 5th dimension, then it is only the concept of god within the sphere of the gods.
Elizio after the holiday he will create a thread to combined some the continuity other authors such as Alan Moore which will be combined with DeMatteis cosmology and also recently he has combined DC cosmology with every crisis event like C.O.I.E, zero hour, infinite crisis, final crisis, metal event and dark crisis.
This is a poorly formatted mess of rehashing rejected arguments. "Just ask, I will answer every question" is a display of arrogance.
Great, I like it
No, just wondering what makes it uncombinable.
Before Elizio has already said that DC cosmology combined with all authors that will really give birth to a lot of contradictions in each comics, even with Morrison's hypertime ideas and the Metaverse it's still not enough to reconcile any existing contradictions so he prefers to separate cosmology with each authors but if that is not satisfactory then splitting the continuity with each event is a suitable one.
That's his opinion, 4 Dimensions is not entirely about physics/geometry but also metaphysics
I'm always ready to waitYep.
Like i said, after the holidays, we could focus for the Spiritual CosmologyI'm always ready to wait
No problem for now we can discuss source material for spiritual cosmology after you are done with the holidays, and I would also like to see responses from knowledgeable members and staff regarding the naming spiritual cosmology.Like i said, after the holidays, we could focus for the Spiritual Cosmology
Sure!
We need the maximum of source materials.
I do not think that DeMatteis and Alan Moore seem to have the same type of religious worldviews at all. The former is a disciple of Meher Baba, who DeMatteis thinks is an Enlightened being, and the second is a long practitioner of spiritual magic.Yep.
