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Here's another question I have: If the Overvoid contains all the stories in DC Comics, why isn't it on a higher tier and why isn't the cosmology bigger?
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General DC Comics Discussion Thread
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I don't understand. The Overvoid isn't on a higher tier because the things it transcends have a certain tier, so it has a tier equal to one layer above what it transcends.
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Well, yeah, but the Overvoid is supposed to hold all the stories together in the DC universe since it's the canvas of the whole background. Why isn't the cosmology bigger than 1-C in this case?
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Not to mention all the mathematical dimensions that were listed in this thread. What about those?
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The DC Multiverse and Mathematical Dimensions
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11128/111288111/5223869-jla+v2+(2009)+-+page+89.jpg Darkseid speaks of 28 mathematical dimensions that the Sphere of the Gods encompasses. Keep in mind, this was in 2009, when the Multiverse obstensibly only contained 52 universes, so he could...
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It would only scale higher than the rest of DC if it contained the stories under an R>F degree of superiority. Even so, that would only be +1 level of infinity. If we had DC at 1-A for instance, that single R>F transcendence would only amount to a single extra layer into outer (keep in mind that we don't use CSAP's standards where R>F over 1-A is high 1-A rather than a single layer into 1-A). We have most of the higher echelons of DC cosmology in the 1-C ranges, so the Overvoid would be +1 dimensional at best. Viewing the rest of DC cosmology as a trivial flaw is just a single higher level of infinity, and doesn't account for the Infinity^Infinity^Infinity... ad infinitum gap required to go from 1-C to 1-A, or 1-A to high 1-A.
200,000 dimensional DC has been debunked for a while, they were just talking about parallel universes.Not to mention all the mathematical dimensions that were listed in this thread. What about those?
The DC Multiverse and Mathematical Dimensions
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11128/111288111/5223869-jla+v2+(2009)+-+page+89.jpg Darkseid speaks of 28 mathematical dimensions that the Sphere of the Gods encompasses. Keep in mind, this was in 2009, when the Multiverse obstensibly only contained 52 universes, so he could...
Also, we don't use random higher dimensional scans unless they can be tied to a specific cosmology.
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The whole point of the cosmology split is that because different authors have written irreconcilable interpretations of DC, powerscaling between the works of different authors is only considered valid if one can prove an explicit connection between their works. Without explicit evidence, a cosmology isn't allowed to scale to random scans.Not to mention all the mathematical dimensions that were listed in this thread. What about those?
The DC Multiverse and Mathematical Dimensions
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11128/111288111/5223869-jla+v2+(2009)+-+page+89.jpg Darkseid speaks of 28 mathematical dimensions that the Sphere of the Gods encompasses. Keep in mind, this was in 2009, when the Multiverse obstensibly only contained 52 universes, so he could...
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What about this scan of there being 11 dimensions?
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Is it tied to a specific cosmology?
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It's from Action Comics #781
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What cosmology is that?
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Not entirely sure, but here's the link to it on the DC Database.
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It’s from the Imperiex Arc (Our Worlds at War) I think Imperiex Prime and his robots where going to cause some sort of chain reaction to destroy the universe via entropy iirc
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Scans without proof of scaling to an established cosmology aren't going to be used.
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We never talked about this, I think it was left pending at a time just before Elizio33 took control over the creation of the cosmology page
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Can it be used for a future CRT for DC?
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If you provide evidence of it scaling to a cosmology, sure.
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Yeah, just investigate and create the CRT, there we will talk about the scale
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Think you could do it?
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Holy ******* shit DC actually remembered that Zero Hour Parallax was running around after Convergence. He's just been chilling in the future all this time.
Also can make himself and others be invisible and intangible to everyone around them, all "It's a Wonderful Life" style."
Edit: Also don't know if it even matters or not but I figured that I might as well post this page where some scientists at Terrifitech (or whatever the company is called) are discussing the model of the multiverse. Dunno if its shit we already know or not but I thought to post it anyway just in case.
Also can make himself and others be invisible and intangible to everyone around them, all "It's a Wonderful Life" style."
Edit: Also don't know if it even matters or not but I figured that I might as well post this page where some scientists at Terrifitech (or whatever the company is called) are discussing the model of the multiverse. Dunno if its shit we already know or not but I thought to post it anyway just in case.
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If the Writer still had a profile, would he be High 1-C?
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They remembered his ass?? I might have to read Green Arrow lmao
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I too lazy to do it by myself
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No, the Overvoid is 7D 1-C, meaning the Writer drawing on it would only scale to its tier, as being able to draw on something doesn't mean you have even 1 R>f layer over it.
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Ah ok
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The Writer does appear in comics. He literally appears in Animal Man multiple times and was a central character within the theme of Grant Morrison’s run. The Writer also later appeared in a Suicide Squad story. However, the justification for his tier was headcanon.
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@Antvasima Thoughts?
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That is not The Writer, that's Grant Morrison. They do not represent every Writer. Grant should have their own profile
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Grant Morrison is a part of the committee of writers who represent the profile. The name of the profile “The Writer” is a title that can be given to any of those writers who are a part of the committee like Grant. So giving Grant a separate profile would have just been redundant since The Writer profile already covered the character.
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Why would we need 1 profile for every writer? This would be like making a profile for "The Green Lantern"
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One profile was suitable because they are a group with powers and capabilities that aren’t differentiable from one another. It was very similar to how SCP currently has that Swans Proposal profile for the collection of writers. Although none of this really matters anymore because the profile is deleted and most likely won’t be recreated.
Also, someone could technically make a profile for the Green Lanterns corps as a whole. However, the reason there are separate GL profiles is because not only do the GL’s have varying capabilities and power levels, but some of the characters are very central to DC’s history and hold a much greater significance within the universe compared to others. Ex) Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner, John Stewart, etc.
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The way that The Writer page was constructed mostly turned it into a patchwork headcanon fanfiction character, as it was never established to be a collective entity like The One Above All, just an author avatar for Grant Morrison that was then depowered and killed off in its next Suicide Squad appearance at the same time as it received "The Writer" superhero nickname.
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This is essentially the sum of it. A large part of what "The Writer" profile did was take unrelated interviews from Morrison talking about the Overvoid having the Multiverse drawn on it against its will in 2008, assumed this must refer to his self-insert author avatar from his 90s Animal Man run despite him never saying this, and then extrapolating that "The Writer" is some ultra high-tier R>F transcending being, in a manner that was so far removed from his actual depiction in Animal Man that he was borderline unrecognizable.
It was fanfiction with little to no basis in what was actually printed in the comics, and the Writer character doesn't really satisfy our DC notability rules for profile creation anyways.
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Are you sure they all have the same powers?
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Currently reworking on this guy since the current profile is dog water. I will post a discussion thread soon enough.
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Can you explain the durability?
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Idk if we will count that since he was very quickly killed after a few more beams. More examples might be needed. You could probably find a comic where he takes attacks from comparable people
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1. Parallax shot the Trapper 3 times in their first encounter, the Trapper was finally killed when Parallax shot the 4th (final) blow.
2. I shall add the fight between the Trapper and Infinite Man in both the AP and Durability section.
Edit: Change my mind on adding the Trapper and Infinite Man fight, I think there’s enough for durability.
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