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Doom Patrol Profiles and Flex Mentallo Upgrade

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So I've worked on the sandboxes for all the members of the Doom Patrol, but I would like some input from you guys before they possibly end up getting deleted due to false ratings or wrong P&A. So here we go.



Ability: Superhuman strength and Technology Manipulation. Fought extra-dimensional vampires and Retcon Corporation Forces.

Fought Equus, who can fight Supergirl. Fought The Devil Nezha who can take hits from a pissed Supergirl.

Resisted Mr Nobody's hallucinations, can use infrared vision to search a forest, can access and rewatch his own memories.

Came up with a plan to beat Candle Maker.

Reprogramed Candle Maker's body as well as world-ending nanotechnology.

Regenerated from having mind erased

Everything listed up is done in his base state. He would have 2 more keys for the next 2 states/forms of Robotman which I will list below.

Planet Cliff:

Ability: Is an entire planet. Killed Flex Mentallo

Teiresias Cliff:

Ability: Predate and exist in a realm beyond God and all of His creation.

Teiresias are opposed to The Builders (I mentioned these beings before) who can't be beaten unless all of creation is destroyed. Only the Teiresias were capable of doing this.

Both Teiresias and Builders scale to Antagon, who is stated as being the Dark Side of God and scales to the Presence himself. Teiresias Cliff should scale to this.



Ability: Possesses 64 personalities, each with their own abilities

I'm not going to go over all 64 personalities, this here perfectly sums up all of them.

One of her personalities turns her into an abstract object which is disconnected from reality.

Reverted The Disappointment into his original state, who at this time had all the powers of the god of heroes.

She can fly

Break the fourth wall

Her art manipulation can manipulate reality itself and reverted the retcon altered JL back to normal.



And last but not least,


And we are done, hope you had fun reading. If there are other feats that I have missed out do list them below. And finally, with the feats that I have presented, what tier and speed should each member of the Doom Patrol be granted? A lot of these seem to grant Complex Multiversal with Immeasurable speed, but I could be wrong. Leave your thoughts in.
 
I don't know Doom Patrol that well. I guess I can look at it when I get the chance.
 
Jeez such a long read but most of it seems fine. The first human becoming “God” would hardly count as anything more than a personal scale. So Antagon doesn't really scale to the Presence. I suggest instead we go with Low 1-C, possibly 1-C.

Also, the Cosmology of Doom Patrol seems to mirror the cause and effect of a single cell that keeps going down in the body of God. However, those who scale to the Overvoid are all 1-C.

Decreator needs a profile as well.
 
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This Overvoid related scan could be just a represntation of it, not literal. should be fine, if there's more context for it. I don't think it's overvoid in your last part of post. Broke through the wall of the Overvoid. there are many voids in DC. Final Heaven and Retconn Corparation exist inside it not outside IMO.
 
Why do they exactly scale to God tiers?
I listed all the scans as to why. But I’ll summarize.
Dorothy and Negative Man both scale to Candlemaker, who’s a physical manifestation of the Collective Unconscious and has his origin in the Dreaming (1-C).

Flex Mentallo overpowered the effects of a weapon that was going to wipe the entire Overvoid (1-C)

Teiresias Cliff scales to other Teiresias who exist beyond creation and have the power to destroy said creation (1-C)

Crazy Jane’s reality warping undoes Retcon altered JL members and takes away the Disappointment’s power, which is the God Of Superheroes power, which Retcon value above even their Overvoid wiping failsafe (1-C)

Rita pretty much extends to the point that she’s present throughout all of creation, meaning she’d literally be that big due to her size (1-C)

And Danny has feats like killing Ahl and breaking through the Overvoid.
 
Simply having one's origin in the Dreaming does not automatically make anybody 1-C.

The reasoning for some of the other characters likely works though.
 
Simply having one's origin in the Dreaming does not automatically make anybody 1-C.

The reasoning for some of the other characters likely works though.
Fair enough. What about being manifestations of the Collective Unconscious?
 
I do not know. I leave it to other knowledgeable members to evaluate. Being a manifestation does not automatically mean encompassing all of it though.
 
Which Collective Unconscious are we talking about?

In most stories, it's not Low 1-C except for J.M. DeMatteis which isn't 1-C.
 
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Problem is Grant always intended the Overvoid to be the “final, absolute Void” with nothing inverse logic surpassing it. There are many Voids and levels of reality which go from it.

However, due to the fact, we merged Grant with Synder then we can take what happens to be the Multiversity Map as upscaling. So these beings could scale above it.
 
Problem is Grant always intended the Overvoid to be the “final, absolute Void” with nothing inverse logic surpassing it. There are many Voids and levels of reality which go from it.

However, due to the fact, we merged Grant with Synder then we can take what happens to be the Multiversity Map as upscaling. So these beings could scale above it.
So it can be higher into 1-C?
 
@Qawsedf234

Are you still willing to evaluate this thread?
 
The problem is Steve Orlando's Milk Wars contradicts a lot of things with Morrison's ideas. Even with Doom Patrol which was an older work, in the Final Crisis, there's nothing beyond the Overvoid. So his older work shouldn't correlate with other authors when his more recent stories do not support his previous work.
 
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We can take David Bohm's Implicate Theory, Comicbook Limbo, White Light, or perhaps the Red but the idea of being beyond the Overvoid doesn't really exist. So either we could use it or we separate his earlier work from his more recent work.

Steve Orlando may write off what Grant placed but like Snyder, they have their own separate canon. Using the “Map” isn't a good connection point since after it was released its always been used.
 
We can take David Bohm's Implicate Theory, Comicbook Limbo, White Light, or perhaps the Red but the idea of being beyond the Overvoid doesn't really exist. So either we could use it or we separate his earlier work from his more recent work.

Steve Orlando may write off what Grant placed but like Snyder, they have their own separate canon. Using the “Map” isn't a good connection point since after it was released its always been used.
Hmmm, what would you suggest? Earlier or recent?
 
So what's the exact issue? I'm not against the idea of separating earlier and recent work, it'd make sense if there are enough contradictions.
 
The problem is Steve Orlando's Milk Wars contradicts a lot of things with Morrison's ideas. Even with Doom Patrol which was an older work, in the Final Crisis, there's nothing beyond the Overvoid. So his older work shouldn't correlate with other authors when his more recent stories do not support his previous work.
We can take David Bohm's Implicate Theory, Comicbook Limbo, White Light, or perhaps the Red but the idea of being beyond the Overvoid doesn't really exist. So either we could use it or we separate his earlier work from his more recent work.

Steve Orlando may write off what Grant placed but like Snyder, they have their own separate canon. Using the “Map” isn't a good connection point since after it was released its always been used.
Hmmm, what would you suggest? Earlier or recent?
Honestly, we needed more people's (preferably staff) input on what we should use. I'm not too against it but then again it just doesn't seem logical and very uncanny.
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We need some help here.
 
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