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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

JohnCenaNation asked me to post the following question for him here.

"I wanted to know if General Zod's super move from Injustice universe is still treated as an outlier because it's a much better significant feat than all other feats, because it's not. I was reading Injustice: Year Zero on RCO, and guess what Batman said to Superman in Issue #14 page #7?


"I've seen you move a moon. I've seen you fly into the heart of a star." Considering Batman is both the brain of Justice League and Insurgency, he would know what Superman is capable of and we shouldn't treat this statement as an hyperbole so it further backs up General Zod's super move being legit. Do you mind showing this to the Injustice experts?"
 
Zod's feat was never regarded as an outlier, IIRC, just inapplicable due to being exclusively a gameplay mechanics super-move.
 
I just remembered that it was also dismissed because Zod is a DLC character, and he canonically died years earlier in the Injustice Year 2 comic.

And not a DLC storyline or anything, just a Season Pass. So the Galactic Destruction super move is outright non-canon.
 
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Antvasima said:
"I've seen you move a moon. I've seen you fly into the heart of a star."
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It says "A moon" not "The Moon". Moons vary in sizes and not all of them are 5-C, that was the reason for the rejection.

Enduring the heart of a star is like... 8-A iirc
 
ByAsura said:
I just remembered that it was also dismissed because Zod is a DLC character, and he canonically died years earlier in the Injustice Year 2 comic.

And not a DLC storyline or anything, just a Season Pass. So the Galactic Destruction super move is outright non-canon.
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Just gonna comment on a discrepancy here, Zod died AFTER the events of Injustice GAU, in the Injustice 2 comic, NOT the Year 2 comic.
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. Thank you for your replies.

@RanaProGamer

What do you think about this?
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I always saw it similar to how we treated MK's 5-A fatality. Where it's not treated as canon, and we went with what's treated consistently. In case of Injustice, we had two 6-C feats and the Low 6-B feat was done overtime. But yeah to say Zod isn't part of the continuity is incorrect.
 
ByAsura said:
Yeah, my mistake.

However, the continuity still kind of doesn't make sense, since Zod was trapped in the phantom zone in the comic and released.
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Zod's appearance doesn't make sense in terms of continuity, true, but what about the feat itself? Contrary to belief, it's not exactly the best feat we have in regards to our top-tiers.
During Superman's battle with Darkseid, Orion states that the might of their fight would cause the planet to explode with such force that it would poison the entire galaxy. At the same time, Orion also goes on to say that the Source was not clear on whether or not Superman would survive, and such a statement causes even Darkseid to reconsider continuing their battle.

Oh, yeah, one more thing regarding that fight; look at how Apokolips is reacting to their battle. Is there any possible way that they could scale from the fire spewing from the planet? Because that looks like a serious uprade.

Anyways, finally, I wanna ask what sort of anti-feats we have for Injustice to reconsider taking both the Zod feat, and the feats I have given, into account? (If the latter one I brought up is even usable.)
 
PapiSavitar5025 said:
might of their fight would cause the planet to explode with such force that it would poison the entire galaxy.
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Superman wouldn't be 5-B from this due to inverse square law, and it would likely lower results to like Tier 6. Also the radiation poisoning the galaxy wouldn't be AP, just a hax feat with insane range.

PapiSavitar5025 said:
Oh, yeah, one more thing regarding that fight; look at how Apokolips is reacting to their battle. Is there any possible way that they could scale from the fire spewing from the planet? Because that looks like a serious uprade.
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This one seems more like a chain reaction to them fighting, they're not exactly the ones causing the fire, it's the core, who's overloading from them shaking the planet.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Superman wouldn't be 5-B from this due to inverse square law, and it would likely lower results to like Tier 6. Also the radiation poisoning the galaxy wouldn't be AP, just a hax feat with insane range.
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Being at the center of a planetary explosion wouldn't result in anywhere near Tier 5?
I'd also imagine that if such an explosion was destructive enough to send radiation hurtling across lightyears it'd constitute for AP at least some-what.
Emirp sumitpo said:
This one seems more like a chain reaction to them fighting, they're not exactly the ones causing the fire, it's the core, who's overloading from them shaking the planet.
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Yeah, that makes sense. I wasn't so sure of it myself, just figured I'd bring it up, given that they are still the cause of it regardless.
 
PapiSavitar5025 said:
Being at the center of a planetary explosion wouldn't result in anywhere near Tier 5?
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Superman isn't at the epicenter of it. He wasn't even near the core iirc.

PapiSavitar5025 said:
I'd also imagine that if such an explosion was destructive enough to send radiation hurtling across lightyears it'd constitute for AP at least some-what.
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I'm pretty sure radiation does not translate to AP. And considering Darkseid was gonna die, I doubt Superman would survive if it was an AP feat.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Superman isn't at the epicenter of it. He wasn't even near the core iirc.
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Admittedly, he wasn't. But he was going deeper and deeper into the planet as the fight with Darkseid progressed. I imagined that still standing on the planet when it exploded would be more than Tier 6 (at least higher than what he's rated now) but now that I think about it, the 'possibility' of Superman surviving is probably too vague to consider anyways. I'll concede here.
Emirp sumitpo said:
I'm pretty sure radiation does not translate to AP. And considering Darkseid was gonna die, I doubt Superman would survive if it was an AP feat.
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I don't know about the first part either, so nothing to say. I only bothered to bring it up because the Source said Superman's fate was unclear, but at best he'd downscale from it, if it'd kill Darkseid it'd most certainly at least cripple Supes.
Emirp sumitpo said:
This one seems more like a chain reaction to them fighting, they're not exactly the ones causing the fire, it's the core, who's overloading from them shaking the planet.
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I actually did find something quite interesting that's on the profile. Here, it seems like that explosion was directly caused by them, given the narration and the panel focuses specifically on that explosion, before venturing deeper into the planet to take a look at Superman and Darkseid.
 
I'd say yeah. Looks to be like, mid tier 6

I also found a statement of Barry being FTL in one of the dialogue exchanges for Injustice 1. I don't think there's any problem with that one, Hellbeast thought it was alright to use. Everyone would moreorless downscale.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
I'd say yeah. Looks to be like, mid tier 6

I also found a statement of Barry being FTL in one of the dialogue exchanges for Injustice 1. I don't think there's any problem with that one, Hellbeast thought it was alright to use. Everyone would moreorless downscale.
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You said that Hellbeast had started working on things for scaling Injustice, only to quit due to irl stuff, right?
After you're done with the whole Heralds upgrade thing, I'd be willing to work with you to continue where Hellbeast left off, if you'd be willing.
 
PapiSavitar5025 said:
but what about the feat itself?
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Whether the feat is or isn't an outlier (I don't personally think it would be) doesn't really matter.

It's not accepted because it's simply a super move that doesn't translate to the narrative of the game, so we can't accept it on the wiki. It'd be different if it was something like an alternate ending, but it's not.
PapiSavitar5025 said:
look at how Apokolips is reacting to their battle. Is there any possible way that they could scale from the fire spewing from the planet? Because that looks like a serious uprade.
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Assuming one of the flames is 1/4th the width of Earth, the same length as Earth, has the density of air, and moved in 5 seconds gets 2x baseline Planet level.
 
ByAsura said:
It's not accepted because it's simply a super move that doesn't translate to the narrative of the game, so we can't accept it on the wiki. It'd be different if it was something like an alternate ending, but it's not.
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Oh, alrighty. Gotcha then.
Sucks that the coolest damned move in the game isn't able to be used.
ByAsura said:
Assuming one of the flames is 1/4th the width of Earth, the same length as Earth, has the density of air, and moved in 5 seconds gets 2x baseline Planet level.
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As mentioned prior, that current scan is unable to be used, however, If you will kindly look at this one instead; please refer to the middle of this panel, right below the narrators text.
 
Gasper said:
Bump

And why is supergirl High 1-C exactly?
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Supergirl (Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade)

Kara Zor-El, a.k.a. Supergirl, is a teenage Kryptonian from the Argo City region. When her mother wouldn't let her become a cheerleader due to her poor grades, she runs away from home and hides on a rocket headed towards Earth. There she meets her distant relative, Superman. Kara then becomes...
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Gasper said:
I know that but do those dimensions have R>F transcendence?
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Can we talk about this?
 
ByAsura said:
Ok, using 1/2th of the planet's diameter instead gets 1/4th of baseline Planet level.
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Yikes. That is a solid upgrade and a half.
Am I right to assume, however, that to have any chance at getting this properly approved you would have to make a calc blog?
 
PapiSavitar5025 said:
After you're done with the whole Heralds upgrade thing, I'd be willing to work with you to continue where Hellbeast left off, if you'd be willing.
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If I have the time, sure.

ByAsura said:
Ok, using 1/2th of the planet's diameter instead gets 1/4th of baseline Planet level.
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Eh, that seems very sus ngl. Also it's not fire, but just a big explosion.

Da_Lunge_Fish said:
Injustice Superman has just smacked the shit out of canonical Jon Kent just so you know
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We don't talk about that
 
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