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Wouldn't a character with supposed Omnipotence be a No-Limits Fallacy anyway?
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General DC Comics Discussion Thread
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Without any context, it's simply useless and not applicable for our tiering system. As for “context”; mostly those entities do have side-feats due to omnipotence; thus context is required.
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Are there any scans of any other New Gods being explicitly, on panel confirmed as what they're the God of like these scans of Orion confirming he's the God of War, Battle, Warriors, and Heroes
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I don't know if this counts but Mr. Miracle (Shilo Norman) getting shot and seemingly killed during Final Crisis coincided with one of Darkseid's lackeys saying that "freedom's spirit falls".
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Bro just casually doxxed me like that. Can I ask why you posted a picture of my face on here ?
(Make it quick, my city needs me)
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Will it be considered canon? They're all owned by Warner Brothers.
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No. It's just a crossover.
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Isn't the crossover between Marvel and DC canon? Why is it we can't scale DC characters to Marvel characters because of that?
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Not the same Universe iirc.
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I have a controversial opinion.
I think Superman scales above (possibly far above) Lobo, but Lobo doesn't downscale to Superman. Sure, in their first battle (Adventures of Superman #464, 1990) Lobo had an advantage over pre-Death of S Superman, but the implication is Superman was doing so badly because of The Eradicator slowly mind-controlling him into being a "true" and "logical" Kryptonian, which is later confirmed in the letters page,
In Adventures of Superman Annual #2 from August of the same year, Superman fights Lobo and has the advantage, fights Lar Gand (a Daxamite) and then gets jumped by Lobo and Lar Gand and incaps them both by slamming their heads together. To me, this means Superman is > or = Lobo when his mind isn't being compromised by the Eradicator.
Then in Adventure of Superman Annual #4, a crossover with The Eclipso Darkness Within event, Superman possessed by Eclipso beats Lobo nearly to death, then one-shots him again later This is 1992, still pre-DOS. Lobo's knocked out on Page 16 for the first beating and doesn't wake up until page 22, then the volcano explodes and they don't start fighting again until page 27/28, then another cutaway until page 34 when he's one-shot and nearly killed.
Then, post Death of S Superman in Man of Steel #30, Superman has the advantage on Lobo most of the fight, eventually BFRing him into space. He also downed him with a single punch and had him spitting up teeth while still holding back and trying to talk
In DC First: Superman/Lobo (A retconned in "First Meeting" and explictly pre-DOS in the timeline) Superman had the advantage over Lobo the entire fight.
I'd say this proves Superman is above Lobo in scaling.
I think Superman scales above (possibly far above) Lobo, but Lobo doesn't downscale to Superman. Sure, in their first battle (Adventures of Superman #464, 1990) Lobo had an advantage over pre-Death of S Superman, but the implication is Superman was doing so badly because of The Eradicator slowly mind-controlling him into being a "true" and "logical" Kryptonian, which is later confirmed in the letters page,
In Adventures of Superman Annual #2 from August of the same year, Superman fights Lobo and has the advantage, fights Lar Gand (a Daxamite) and then gets jumped by Lobo and Lar Gand and incaps them both by slamming their heads together. To me, this means Superman is > or = Lobo when his mind isn't being compromised by the Eradicator.
Then in Adventure of Superman Annual #4, a crossover with The Eclipso Darkness Within event, Superman possessed by Eclipso beats Lobo nearly to death, then one-shots him again later This is 1992, still pre-DOS. Lobo's knocked out on Page 16 for the first beating and doesn't wake up until page 22, then the volcano explodes and they don't start fighting again until page 27/28, then another cutaway until page 34 when he's one-shot and nearly killed.
Then, post Death of S Superman in Man of Steel #30, Superman has the advantage on Lobo most of the fight, eventually BFRing him into space. He also downed him with a single punch and had him spitting up teeth while still holding back and trying to talk
In DC First: Superman/Lobo (A retconned in "First Meeting" and explictly pre-DOS in the timeline) Superman had the advantage over Lobo the entire fight.
I'd say this proves Superman is above Lobo in scaling.
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This is controversial?
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The second part about Lobo not downscaling to Superman, I think, is the controversial part. Since people often try to scale Lobo to Superman despite the scans showing Clark is kind of casually above him
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It's really not.
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Tom Taylor and Ivan Reis’ ‘Titans: Beast World’ coming November 2023
'Friends will fall. Super Heroes will rise. Earth is about to become...Beast World.'
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So Beast Boy can apparently turn into Starro.
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Would it be possible to calc the size of New Genesis and Apokolips compared to people post-Boom Tube amp? It says that the Average city is "thousands of miles" across
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Oh, In Wonder Woman #173, we get a pretty solid list of who the four strongest superheroes of that time are.
The Furies call Captain Atom, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman and Superman "The most powerful heroes of this Earth or any other"
Superman: The Man of Steel 117 calls that same team "The greatest concentration of brute superpower the world has ever seen"
The Furies call Captain Atom, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman and Superman "The most powerful heroes of this Earth or any other"
Superman: The Man of Steel 117 calls that same team "The greatest concentration of brute superpower the world has ever seen"
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Yes, and some people I know put her above the Source and Presence. She has so many low-showing.
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Presence just got downgraded to below the Darkest Knight so I wouldn't be all that surprised.
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The Presence is 1-C right now. Darkest Knight is only “possibly Low 1-C.”
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Oh, okay. Last I checked Yahweh was 1-C and TDK was still Low 1-A, might've just skimmed over the profiles lol.
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TDK was 1-A last time as was Yahweh. It might be possible that Yahweh got downgraded first.
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Why would the Presence be below TDK? Aren't the Source, Presence, and Overvoid all just different manifestations of the same thing? And beings like the Hands are just servants of the Overvoid?
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The Source and Presence are but Overvoid is iffy.
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Is anyone planning to improve DC profiles or are we still busy with cosmology shit?
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Improve what exactly?
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Practically every profile, especially the Powers & Abilities section
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Though Thawne himself isn't a part of this, we can add "cannot be destroyed by three different Dr. Fates" to how unkillable his living paradox power is since Degaton is a living paradox as well.
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Wanted to let yall know I've reading through Blue Beetle related storylines to fix his wiki shit and that 4-B rating is hella fraudulent also the guy gardner scaling is bunk and oracle literally debunks that
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Come again
you were already doing work on him
