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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

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The Upside-Down Man (DC Comics)

The Upside-Down Man is a powerful being from the otherworld, that was partially responsible for the advent of Magic on Earth. He was created to be the dual opposite of Hecate. He has been described as narcissistic and overconfident. Wonder Woman said that his biggest weakness was BY FAR his...
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Vondoom said:
I remember an author tweet saying its an avatar of lucifer so yes it's an avatar, It means lucifer origin got retconned and wasn't created by the presence.
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That author tweet came before Dark Crisis, Dark Crisis retconned it. TGD was showing all its avatars in Deadly Green and Lucifer was the last shown avatar, TGD literally showed Trigon and UDM before it, and TGD isn't their avatar.
 
AndrewBennet said:
This profile is wrong . His 1A key should be removed

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The Upside-Down Man (DC Comics)

The Upside-Down Man is a powerful being from the otherworld, that was partially responsible for the advent of Magic on Earth. He was created to be the dual opposite of Hecate. He has been described as narcissistic and overconfident. Wonder Woman said that his biggest weakness was BY FAR his...
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Yeah agree. Earlier TGD was an aspect of Lucifer/UDM, now they are of TGD.
 
Transcending said:
That author tweet came before Dark Crisis, Dark Crisis retconned it. TGD was showing all its avatars in Deadly Green and Lucifer was the last shown avatar, TGD literally showed Trigon and UDM before it, and TGD isn't their avatar.
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Doesn't matter as it isn't contradictory.
 
Lucifer is never stated to be an avatar of the darkness in Dark Crisis stop implying it, but it was shown and acknowledged by an author.
 
Vondoom said:
Lucifer is never stated to be an avatar of the darkness in Dark Crisis stop implying it, but it was shown and acknowledged by an author.
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Doesn’t have to be explicitly stated. If you are arguing Lucifer is not an avatar, you would be arguing TGD is an aspect of not only Lucifer, but also Trigon and UDM. That’s obviously illogical. If you are saying he’s an aspect of only Lucifer, you would need to explain why you are conveniently leaving out Trigon and UDM.
 
Beyond_transcending said:
Doesn’t have to be explicitly stated. If you are arguing Lucifer is not an avatar, you would be arguing TGD is an aspect of not only Lucifer, but also Trigon and UDM. That’s obviously illogical. If you are saying he’s an aspect of only Lucifer, you would need to explain why you are conveniently leaving out Trigon and UDM.
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TGD IS not aspect or avatar of lucifer, lucifer is TGD.
If you look other way around the deadly green event is more like lucifer showing what he has ever been just like in the 2018 comic, and ofcourse the last one shown is lucifer like that average fiction cliche where villain show his true face after showing all his other faces throughout history
 
Beyond_transcending said:
Doesn’t have to be explicitly stated. If you are arguing Lucifer is not an avatar, you would be arguing TGD is an aspect of not only Lucifer, but also Trigon and UDM. That’s obviously illogical. If you are saying he’s an aspect of only Lucifer, you would need to explain why you are conveniently leaving out Trigon and UDM.
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One was stated to be others weeen
Transcending said:
Also the tweet didn't say TGD was an avatar, it said it was a version of Lucifer. Besides, 2018 itself implied the Presence created Lucifer.
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Then TGD is Lucifer morningstar.
 
The darkness that destroyed me was a silver of their power not the great darkness is a silver of UDM.
 
Lucioh said:
TGD IS not aspect or avatar of lucifer, lucifer is TGD.
If you look other way around the deadly green event is more like lucifer showing what he has ever been just like in the 2018 comic, and ofcourse the last one shown is lucifer like that average fiction cliche where villain show his true face after showing all his other faces throughout history
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I remember when it transformed into Lucifer it seemed to refer the dark realm (TGD) as its door. Not anything major just found that interesting.
 
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Beyond_transcending said:
Which Darkness destroyed Giovanni? Great Darkness, right? It's the same Darkness.
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Here’s the problem tho, the context of darkness is what will matter. For example, in Lucifer 2018, they literally referred Lucifer being the darkness, opposite of Presence’s light.
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So by your argument, Lucifer would be TGD since he’s outright stated to be the darkness of the Presence’s light. In fact it will make more sense than TGD being a silver of Upside Down Man’s power.
 
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The whole "sliver" thing was always iffy. Lucifer (2018) was extremely concrete about the original Swamp Thing Great Darkness being one of Lucifer's avatars and Lucifer being perfect darkness that is the opposite of the perfect light of the Presence. This even directly mirrors the Light/Darkness origin story from Infinite Frontier.

The Deadly Green scene where the Darkness shifts through Avatars and finally transforms to Lucifer does not necessitate that we interpret Lucifer as being an avatar, nor that he is on the same level as UDM and Trigon. That comic was written by Dan Watters who wrote Lucifer, it's not prudent to think he up-ended his own story for no reason. More accurately, it's likely that the fact that he transformed into Lucifer last is indicative of his true identity.

I had a more thorough post on this, but I agree that the UDM profile needs to be corrected because the scaling to the Great Darkness was always pretty ridiculous.
 
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